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	rann 2004-03-17 02:04 am UTC (link)
	just... staring, mouth hanging open (Reply to this)

wakkymse
2004-03-17 02:06 am UTC (link)

Whee, he made a terroristic threat (illegal activity), and violated two of our laws (Godwin's and quite possibly Snacky's) at the same time! Three strikes and yer out, buddy. ^__^

Not much snark (other than "omfg u dumass" over and over) to be had in the first page of replies, but the shit starts flinging (with references to 9/11 and Cuba, too!) on the second page...not to mention nu-punk/nu-goth meta.

-lee

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	sanguinary 2004-03-17 02:27 am UTC (link)
	Bless his little wankery soul, though I still think he's been watching too much Fight Club. And "omfg u dumass" is just the generic reply to pretty much everything posted on the forums, though they sometimes mix it up with amusing insults and random offensive observations. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	oulangi 2004-03-17 03:24 am UTC (link)
	Too bad it wasn't just fight club: when that movie came out my kid sisters classmates organized their own "fight clubs" after class. Remember when being bad after school meant making out with some guy under the bleachers? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

sanguinary
2004-03-17 03:36 am UTC (link)

Sadly, our school didn't have bleachers, so the 'bad' kids had to settle for smoking in the middle of the street and dodging cars.

But I think the saddest thing is how many people missed the main point of Fight Club and fixated only on the beating-up-people part, or bits and pieces of "Project Mayhem". "Look! They blew up stuff! We can do it too! It's real anarchy!" Which reminds me of a Something Positive comic that I don't have the patience to dredge up.

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	tigerlily 2004-03-17 04:27 am UTC (link)
	http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp12102002.shtml ^_^ Davan's always good for the smackdown. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sanguinary 2004-03-17 05:00 am UTC (link)
	Ah, thank you! Davan's cynicism and dour outlook on life always brings in teh funny and teh truth. (Reply to this)(Parent)

selene_avis
2004-03-17 04:49 am UTC (link)

But I think the saddest thing is how many people missed the main point of Fight Club and fixated only on the beating-up-people part, or bits and pieces of "Project Mayhem". "Look! They blew up stuff! We can do it too! It's real anarchy!" Which reminds me of a Something Positive comic that I don't have the patience to dredge up.

You mean the whole, "You aren't perfect, but you aren't the worst thing in the world, either?" part? Or the part about simply being able to get on with your life part? Do people forget that the protagonist kills Tyler - the leader of Project Mayhem - at the end? (It's a shame that the death of the protagonist's boss didn't make it into the movie, though I have little criticism for it otherwise.)

Oh, wait! Look! They are beating each other up and blowing things up! Leik, isn't that so cool!

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sanguinary
2004-03-17 05:38 am UTC (link)

I think most people block out the fact that Tyler and the narrator are one and the same. And they completely forget Tyler's reasoning behind destroying the bank buildings (which were also done at night where no one would be hurt). They block out his speeches about learning who you really are by pushing yourself to your limits and focus on him blowing up building, and chanting Robert Paulson's name without getting the irony. (And it is a shame that they didn't have the death of the narrator's boss, because that was a nice little piece of writing when the narrator finally realized what 'he' had done, thanks to Tyler.)

but liek, that's waaaay too much to think about. thinking bad, fire pretty! Let's make each other bleed and cause random violence because it'll never effect us when we're older!

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selene_avis
2004-03-17 05:42 am UTC (link)

Heh heh, I wasn't even going into the messages concerning Tyler, just the themes behind the book as a whole. But you are right.

but liek, that's waaaay too much to think about. thinking bad, fire pretty! Let's make each other bleed and cause random violence because it'll never effect us when we're older!

Considering your post goes into the Tyler aspect, and one of the main topics was conformity (first to society, then to Project Mayhem), I am now going to snerk. A lot.

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sanguinary
2004-03-17 06:49 pm UTC (link)

I have a tendency to focus on Tyler when discussing Fight Club's themes because he's such a verbal character and has many, many useful quotes to use when describing the themes and the way the characters work for/against them.

Snerk away! I'm always amused by self-proclaimed 'anarchists' who claim to follow Tyler's 'teachings', missing the point that, to him, they'd just be another Space Monkey.

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	selene_avis 2004-03-17 08:40 pm UTC (link)
	I tend to focus on the themes as a whole, because Narrator ultimately rejects Tyler and Tyler's philosphys. And the Narrator has some good quotes as well, but yeah...Tyler has more. And in being a Space Monkey, you are just as much of a conformist as you are when you live within the consumer society. < / irony > (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

sanguinary
2004-03-17 11:34 pm UTC (link)

True. Though I always liked the book's ending, where even though he's rejected Tyler and his philosophies, Project Mayhem's still going on, and everyone thinks he's still Tyler, so he hasn't escaped Tyler's influence.

And they both have really good quotes, but Tyler's are usually more memorable (except for the "I am Jack's insert-in-the-blank" quotes).

When you really look it, no matter where you go in society, as long as you're a part of a group of people, you will always conform to the group's norm, even though you aren't a part of the society-in-general hierarchy. Conforming is just human nature when dealing with a group of peers, and the only way to be a 'true' individual is basically either accept the group norms and use them to their advantage, or to totally isolate yourself from society and people all together.

But again, most kids playing at anarchists aren't going to actually consider this side, and so they become space monkeys and trade in their free will and free thought for a delusion.

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	selene_avis 2004-03-18 04:05 am UTC (link)
	I think I prefer the movie ending, actually. The book ending has some definite good points, particularly where he is talking to God and reflecting on everything, but there's a certain finality to the movie ending that I liked. Yeah, but if you are Space Monkey, you get to blow things up! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	calluna 2004-03-18 02:42 am UTC (link)
	chanting Robert Paulson's name without getting the irony. Rob Paulsen is one of my favorite voice actors, so I always laugh at that part. ^_^;; (Reply to this)(Parent)

	smo 2004-03-17 04:58 pm UTC (link)
	Sadly, our school didn't have bleachers, so the 'bad' kids had to settle for smoking in the middle of the street and dodging cars. The middle of the street? Damn, ours just went to a nearby cafe that allowed smoking. (R.I.P. Edible Complex.) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

sanguinary
2004-03-17 06:53 pm UTC (link)

Well, our school had 250 people, max, so the closest cafe was a five minute walk away and liek, that was too far for them. They couldn't smoke directly across from the school because it was technically still school property, and the Kinsmen Hall was right beside that. When they got kicked off of that and threats of police involvement, they went down and started smoking on one of the teacher's front yards. She turned on the sprinklers and sprayed them until they buggered off. So finally, they decided to stand in the middle of street to smoke. There was always the vague hope that they'd get hit by a car sometime, but it never happened.

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	smo 2004-03-17 06:59 pm UTC (link)
	She turned on the sprinklers and sprayed them until they buggered off. Well, hey, it works on cats when they jump on the table. My school only had 300 people, but the cafe was close enough and enough of the smokers had cars that it was workable. Location is key, I guess. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

sanguinary
2004-03-17 07:35 pm UTC (link)

There was a lot of bitter grumbling at school when they returned with wet pants and shirts, and how unfair it was that they couldn't leave their butts on her front yard.

And we weren't allowed to drive anywhere in cars/etc during the noon hour. Just a few weeks ago, some of my little sister's classmates got a week's suspension for getting in the back of a pick-up truck to drive around the town during noon hour. Because, after all, a week away from school is going to teach a bunch of 15-17 year-old kids to behave.

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	smo 2004-03-17 07:45 pm UTC (link)
	Because, after all, a week away from school is going to teach a bunch of 15-17 year-old kids to behave. Gotta love school administrator logic. Or lack thereof. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: sanguinary 2004-03-17 11:18 pm UTC (link)
	This school seems to have a knack for pulling in over-reacting principals who don't get that an out-of-school suspension is bascially just a week's break for these kids. One of the boys in my sister's class went out and worked for that week, and made about $500 or so. What a lesson, huh? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	kookaburra 2004-03-18 11:23 am UTC (link)
	The hell did he do? Strip? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sanguinary 2004-03-19 05:35 pm UTC (link)
	He worked 12 hour days as a mechanic for his uncle's small-engine-repair shop. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	smo 2004-03-18 03:45 pm UTC (link)
	See, it's things like that that really make me think we should do like the UK and give students the option of leaving HS at age 16. They're not into books? Let 'em learn a trade or something. Job crisis solved. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

sanguinary
2004-03-19 05:39 pm UTC (link)

I totally agree with you there. I went to school with twenty other kids, and of the twenty kids, three didn't graduate and four others barely scrapped by, only so they could go and find themselves a trade. But then again, of the three who didn't graduate at all, one's pregnant with her second child (and this is only two years after highschool), one's working on the rigs, and probably will his entire life, and the other is probably sleeping around with anything that moves. Some people just don't want to work.

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selene_avis
2004-03-17 04:43 am UTC (link)

Any how now we do not know what to do, we want to start a succesful anarchy but we dont want to be assosicated with these dumb asses. Any Ideas?

Why did Dr. Phill pop into my head? Anachy self-help. ::Giggles.:: Or maybe a Jerry Spring episode. "Up next, we have failed anarchist!"

But the whole part about society crushing individuality made me groan and want to bash my head up against the wall. And my history teach would be rolling over in his grave, were he dead. But he's not, and thus is spared.

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	moonjaguar 2004-03-17 08:08 am UTC (link)
	Heh, he better start not associating with himself if he wants to not be associated with dumbasses. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	selene_avis 2004-03-17 06:14 pm UTC (link)
	Fight Club split personalities. Tyler leaves Narrator. That's all I have to say. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sanguinary 2004-03-17 06:56 pm UTC (link)
	I'm pretty sure there's a line in the book where the narrator describes what happened to them being a love trangle (Marla love the Narrator who love Tyler who loves to destory stuff). That's perfect Jerry Springer material. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	selene_avis 2004-03-17 08:42 pm UTC (link)
	No, I believe Marla wanted Narrator who wanted Tyler who wanted Marla. (Sorry, I don't have the book on hand, or I'd give you the quote.) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sanguinary 2004-03-17 11:35 pm UTC (link)
	I'm pretty sure you're right. I couldn't remember if the last part of the quote had Tyler wanting Marla or destruction, but yours sounds about right. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	aruru 2004-03-17 04:27 pm UTC (link)
	I know "Skeletor" is supposed to be that person's handle, but now I can't help but have mental images of the bad guy from He-Man being an anarchist. ...hey, at least it's not as bizarre as the gayish!Skeletor YMCA Flash video. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	sanguinary 2004-03-17 07:28 pm UTC (link)
	Speaking of bizarre, have you seen the CKY Skeletor vs Beastman rap? It's here (right-click, save-target-as) but the site it's on goes down on bandwidth all the time. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

This merits using my OMGWTF/OTP icon.

aruru
2004-03-18 05:45 am UTC (link)

Have just downloaded and watched video.

All I can say is:

DIES

(Wow, that thing's GREAT. Still laughing my ass off. XD)

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	Re: This merits using my OMGWTF/OTP icon. sanguinary 2004-03-19 05:42 pm UTC (link)
	And that's why I love CKY. Because only in the CKY-fandom is the sentence "Drink your ass like wine" canon. That's defently some of their best work, though the image of Bran dressed as Skeletor with that giant purple penis on the end of a stick will continue to make me "WTF!" until the end of my days. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	khym_chanur 2004-03-18 12:35 am UTC (link)
	...hey, at least it's not as bizarre as the gayish!Skeletor YMCA Flash video. Skeletor doing the YMCA? <googles for it> Oh, God that's funny!! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	aruru 2004-03-18 04:15 am UTC (link)
	If your Google result was the A tribute to Ray Harryhausen movie, then yup, that's the one. Ain't it brilliant? Swish, Skeletor, SWISH! XD (Reply to this)(Parent)

	necronomist 2004-03-18 02:08 am UTC (link)
	When CKY forum members are making fun of you, you know you are t3h l4m3. Tara, whose exposure to anarchy was limited to reading Emma Goldman (Reply to this)

	redwarrior 2004-03-28 07:58 pm UTC (link)
	I'm sorry, but this scares me. Not anarchy. THAT, my friend, is a teenager crying out for help. (It seems to me like he has some sort of personality/conduct disorder...but that's just me...) Besides, society isn't that repressive. It may be hard-wired into our brains...remembers seeing something in neuropsych about the organization of monkey troops and human society (Reply to this)

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