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Dan Fogelberg's ([info]llama_treats) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2004-05-07 23:30:00
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Current mood:happy

Pro-choice Wank. Or is it Pro-life Wank? Hmmmm....
ladyartemisa, in the prochoice community, posts a link to a website that belongs to steoh.

On this website, steoh (somewhat incoherently) describes an abortion she had and now preaches that abortion is TEH EV0L. She also mentions that she's made a lovely shirt for her daughter to wear (that says "I survived abortion but my brother didn't").

People in the prochoice community comment on the unbelieveability of her abortion story. steoh & friend respond.

[I'm sorry, but the t-shirt just put me over the edge here...]


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[info]smit
2004-05-08 04:56 am UTC (link)
#1. Making a child wear that t-shirt is reprehensible.

#2. If she loved her son so damned much then why the Hell did she have a fucking abortion?

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[info]kijikun
2004-05-08 05:09 am UTC (link)
I know, who was holding the gun to her head?

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[info]crickets
2004-05-08 05:12 am UTC (link)
::nods wordlessly::

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[info]kijikun
2004-05-08 05:23 am UTC (link)
Ah..after reading a bit...aparently her family 'forced' her too.

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(no subject) - [info]llama_treats, 2004-05-08 05:26 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]littleshebear, 2004-05-08 05:31 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smit, 2004-05-08 05:31 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kijikun, 2004-05-08 05:35 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]littleshebear, 2004-05-08 05:39 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kijikun, 2004-05-08 05:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]littleshebear, 2004-05-08 05:46 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]fiatincantatum, 2004-05-08 02:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smit, 2004-05-08 05:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]guinevere33, 2004-05-08 08:06 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sagralisse, 2004-05-09 02:06 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-05-10 05:36 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-05-09 09:52 pm UTC
Troll somewhere else - [info]kijikun, 2004-05-09 10:01 pm UTC
Re: Troll somewhere else - (Anonymous), 2004-05-09 10:11 pm UTC
Re: Troll somewhere else - [info]kijikun, 2004-05-09 10:19 pm UTC
Re: Troll somewhere else - (Anonymous), 2004-05-09 10:26 pm UTC
Re: Troll somewhere else - [info]kijikun, 2004-05-09 10:32 pm UTC
Re: Troll somewhere else - [info]llama_treats, 2004-05-10 12:56 am UTC
Thanks! - [info]phosfate, 2004-05-10 04:45 pm UTC
Re: Thanks! - [info]visp, 2004-05-13 03:19 am UTC

[info]lessis
2004-05-08 05:16 am UTC (link)
I admit I only skimmed the story, but what I want to know is, if she was praying for God to stop her why did she go? I didn't see any mention of big burly men dragging her to the clinic. No people with guns to her saying "abort the fetus or die." And I really hope she doesn't expect us to believe the people at the clinic didn't ask her if she was sure she wanted to abort one last time before hooking her up. She made a choice and now she regrets it, that doesn't mean other women don't have the right to make that same choice.

And posting it in the pro-choice comm, ugh I have no words

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meshou
2004-05-08 05:34 am UTC (link)
I was under the impression she didn't post it, but someone decided to post it so the community could pick it apart.

If her story is true (big if, but stay with me), then her memory would be very fucked up. If she was nervous about it, got mild sedatives, then lost a lot of blood, her memory would get a bit swiss-cheesed. When that happens, you tend to fill in details to make it make sense, real or not.

I'm not sure if she's lying, but it's possible she's not.

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(no subject) - [info]llama_treats, 2004-05-08 05:38 am UTC

[info]kijikun
2004-05-08 05:19 am UTC (link)
The shirt is what gets me....christ making a little kid where that?

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[info]littleshebear
2004-05-08 05:24 am UTC (link)
I know. She's making the child into a walking billboard for a cause that she couldn't possibly understand. It doesn't matter what side of the debate you're on, that's just wrong.

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(no subject) - [info]littlest_lurker, 2004-05-08 05:26 am UTC

[info]calluna
2004-05-08 06:07 am UTC (link)
"My mom got an abortion, and all I got was this lousy t-shirt!"

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(no subject) - [info]amasaglajax, 2004-05-08 06:58 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]notjo, 2004-05-08 09:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sagralisse, 2004-05-09 02:09 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]visp, 2004-05-13 03:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sagralisse, 2004-05-13 03:28 am UTC
Re: - [info]visp, 2004-05-13 11:25 pm UTC

[info]rann
2004-05-08 07:07 am UTC (link)
Years from now, she's gonna see photos of herself in that shirt, or her mom's gonna try to make her wear another one, and she's gonna think "God, if only you HAD aborted me..."

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[info]sagralisse
2004-05-09 02:21 am UTC (link)
"The Hill Valley Abortion Clinic took my brother, but they don't take American Express. :D"

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(Anonymous)
2004-05-09 09:53 pm UTC (link)
why, because reality dictates

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(no subject) - [info]kijikun, 2004-05-09 10:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-05-09 10:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]llama_treats, 2004-05-10 12:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2004-05-10 04:46 pm UTC

meshou
2004-05-08 05:25 am UTC (link)
I'm not seeing what's so implausible about her story. I have faith that if there is a way to horrifically screw your health up, a doctor can find it. They lost a sponge in my sister, gave me seizures, and we couldn't sue for either.

I'm not sure if she's lying (a strong possibility, given the topic), or the pro-choice people are just so attached to all abortions going well and being guilt-free that they can't even concede it's possible (an equally strong possibility).

I gotta lean toward the website owner. If she's telling the truth, I feel deeply sorry for her, but it doesn't change my opinion. If she's lying, then it still doesn't. I'd rather pity her and be wrong than not pity her and be wrong.

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[info]llama_treats
2004-05-08 05:33 am UTC (link)
Frankly, it's not even her description of the procedure (well, the bits I could understand, anyway) that bothers me about her "story" (even though I do find it hard to believe that such a level of incompetence can be achieved nowadays), it's the fact that she refuses to take any responsibility for having the abortion in the first place.

And the t-shirt. That's just tacky.

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[info]iczer6
2004-05-08 05:37 am UTC (link)
I'm not sure if she's lying (a strong possibility, given the topic), or the pro-choice people are just so attached to all abortions going well and being guilt-free that they can't even concede it's possible (an equally strong possibility).

While I'm sure abortions go wrong and there are people who regret it but I think this woman deserves nothing but scorn IMO.

Sorry but no one forced her to have an abortion, she wasn't driven to the clinc at gunpoint, if she didn't want to do it she didn't have to do it.

And I'm sorry but just because getting an abortion was the wrong choice for you [general you here] that doesn't mean it'd be the wrong choice for someone else.

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(no subject) - meshou, 2004-05-08 05:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2004-05-08 05:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]faultypremise, 2004-05-08 09:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sagralisse, 2004-05-09 02:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]faultypremise, 2004-05-09 07:58 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-05-10 05:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]blackjackrocket, 2004-05-08 08:25 pm UTC
(no subject) - meshou, 2004-05-08 09:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]blackjackrocket, 2004-05-08 09:18 pm UTC
It's all a whooooole lot of fun, until SOMEBODY...
[info]elkins
2004-05-08 05:27 am UTC (link)
"I survived abortion but my brother didn't" makes it sound to me as if the woman's daughter had an eye put out in utero by a coat hanger wielded by a truly incompetent backstreet practitioner.

Oh. Was that insensitive? That was insensitive, wasn't it.

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Re: It's all a whooooole lot of fun, until SOMEBODY... - [info]kijikun, 2004-05-08 05:29 am UTC
Re: It's all a whooooole lot of fun, until SOMEBODY... - [info]llama_treats, 2004-05-08 05:39 am UTC
Re: It's all a whooooole lot of fun, until SOMEBODY... - [info]littlest_lurker, 2004-05-08 05:46 am UTC
Re: It's all a whooooole lot of fun, until SOMEBODY... - [info]notjo, 2004-05-08 09:45 am UTC
Re: It's all a whooooole lot of fun, until SOMEBODY... - [info]sagralisse, 2004-05-09 02:14 am UTC
Re: It's all a whooooole lot of fun, until SOMEBODY... - ataniell93, 2004-05-10 08:03 am UTC
Re: It's all a whooooole lot of fun, until SOMEBODY... - (Anonymous), 2004-05-10 08:14 am UTC
Re: It's all a whooooole lot of fun, until SOMEBODY... - ataniell93, 2004-05-10 08:17 am UTC
Re: It's all a whooooole lot of fun, until SOMEBODY... - [info]elkins, 2004-05-10 11:36 am UTC

[info]snarl
2004-05-08 06:23 am UTC (link)
Anyone else get the feeling that steoh and ladyartemisia might just be the same person?

It's all that crap about supposedly calling a chick at the clinic and finding out the details of this woman's procedure.

Er. Doctor-patient confidentiality, yo? It's not like abortion providers are INCREDIBLY sensitive about that sort of stuff, or anything.

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(no subject) - [info]snarl, 2004-05-08 06:27 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]terminal_frost, 2004-05-09 04:36 am UTC

[info]princessdot
2004-05-08 06:28 am UTC (link)
You know if you look at one of those with the ultrasound and read the accompanying caption? It sort of confuses you what the wearer regrets; taking an ultrasound, having something there to ultrasound or....

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(no subject) - [info]liarliar, 2004-05-08 07:18 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dawnswalker, 2004-05-08 09:27 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-05-09 09:59 pm UTC
Re: - [info]princessdot, 2004-05-10 11:22 am UTC
No. - (Anonymous), 2004-05-10 05:50 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2004-05-08 07:37 am UTC (link)
At least part of her story's crap, IMO.

First off, the nurse in me says that she'd have filled out her paperwork before the procedure. No medical office on earth is going to perform a procedure of any sort without having all of that squared away first. Second, garbage disposal? I'm calling bullshit on that one.

She had an abortion and she feels like shit about it, so now she's embellishing it so that she can feel that she was victimized. The sad thing? I wouldn't doubt that she believes every word that she says.

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(no subject) - [info]crickets, 2004-05-08 10:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ehann, 2004-05-11 12:18 am UTC

[info]dawnswalker
2004-05-08 09:28 am UTC (link)
...Did anyone else notice that her pictured t-shirts are hung on wire hangers?

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(no subject) - [info]rann, 2004-05-08 10:37 am UTC
smileandnod05 @LJ - (Anonymous), 2004-05-09 04:26 am UTC

[info]krazycat
2004-05-08 09:34 am UTC (link)
Jaysus.
I can't even point and laugh, I'm too disgusted by that story.
On so many levels I don't even know where to start.

So I won't.

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[info]nicolae
2004-05-08 12:35 pm UTC (link)
1. I made a choice.
2. I think it was the wrong choice.
3. Therefore, no one else should ever make a choice ever again.

*facepalm*

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(no subject) - [info]lurker32, 2004-05-08 03:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ashenmote, 2004-05-08 03:37 pm UTC

[info]melange
2004-05-08 06:38 pm UTC (link)
You know, I bet that she believes everything she said. But it's probably mostly psychosomatic, especially the parts about how she felt her baby be 'cut in half' and 'vacuumed out of her'. While I'm no expert, I don't think that's what happens during first trimester abortions.

And I also understand that she probably feels guilty, and is mourning what she saw as a child. But, really? It was her choice, and if she didn't want to go through it as badly as her journal would indicate, she really didn't have to. Part of the reason I'm pro-choice is because I assume that if you're old enough to make a baby, you're also old enough to make an informed decision about what you should do with it. Maybe this is harsh, but if she's that unwilling to stand up for herself, maybe she shouldn't be having children.

As for the business with that T-shirt. Does anyone else think it sounds like something from a generic indie movie about the dark side of American's suburbs? You know, a girl who's had to live in the shadow of her aborted brother, while her mother quietly, obsessively mourns her lost child to the point where she's stopped thinking about the living ones feelings... No, really, can't you totally see that in some Happiness-esq flick?

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(no subject) - [info]eiviiaru, 2004-05-08 08:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-05-09 09:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]melange, 2004-05-09 10:25 pm UTC
TMI, don't read unless you really want to know... - ataniell93, 2004-05-10 02:13 am UTC
Re: TMI, don't read unless you really want to know... - [info]melange, 2004-05-11 03:03 am UTC
means of abortion - (Anonymous), 2004-05-09 10:08 pm UTC
Re: means of abortion - (Anonymous), 2004-05-10 05:50 am UTC
Re: means of abortion - [info]llama_treats, 2004-05-10 04:24 pm UTC
Re: means of abortion - (Anonymous), 2004-05-10 05:15 pm UTC
Re: means of abortion - [info]llama_treats, 2004-05-10 05:29 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2004-05-09 03:08 am UTC (link)
"I survived abortion but my brother didn't. Because the weak are killed and eaten!"

...tasteless, but I'd buy it.

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(no subject) - [info]llama_treats, 2004-05-09 03:18 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-05-09 04:51 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-05-09 09:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]llama_treats, 2004-05-10 01:15 am UTC
smileandnod05 @LJ
(Anonymous)
2004-05-09 04:25 am UTC (link)
I love how the shirt is on a wire hanger...

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