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The HMS STFU - Just Or Unjust Batshit?
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| | Current Music: | Hello Beastie | | Subject: | Just Or Unjust Batshit? | | Time: | 10:50 pm |
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| There haven't been many posts recently, so I decided to harvest Portkey for some post-DH batshit. I found a nice little cache of it in the Harry/Hermione forum in a topic Unjust Anger... Or Not? Starts off with the usual moaning about how Harmony SHOULD have been canon, but degenerates pretty quickly into some grade-A canon-denial.
Hermione Darcy Potter:
"Okay, so I'm still upset...doesn't J.K Rowling see that Harry and Hermione would have worked out way better then Ron and Hermione????"
*insert standard comment about the author daring to assume that she knows more about the characters than the fanbrats*
"Am I unjustly angry...or were we illusional? Building our dreams and wishes for a fiction book on something that wasn't really there? Or was J.K Rowling what we were?"
Bold mine for emphasis. Also... "illusional"... while totally accurate, I doubt that's the word that she meant here.
hexonjellybeans12:
"I don't believe we were illusional at ALL. We have been analyzing this ship to the brink of insanity for years."
Illusional. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
"The fact that JK would project a relationship based on petty bickering and fake compliments, without the basis of true friendship and trust is the main reason I'm upset. And in that, I do not think my anger is unjust. Young, impressionable children should be taught that insulting someone will make them like you."
Because Hermione fell in love with Ron because of the bickering. And it's not like Ron and Hermione trusted each other at all, or anything.
Danny2004:
"With such good base, there was no reason EVER to get in another route than having Harry and Hermione paired up when we think of the hours, days, and years when they consolidated all aspects of their relationship and I don't believe in coincidences."
Yup. Friendship for friendship's sake has NO PURPOSE. At all. Oh, and I can't help but think that Harry also trusts Neville and Luna, too. The Potter bedroom is truly a kinky place, in Harmonian Land.
Ravenclaw(d69): "What botherd me is that we were given BLATANT instances of this in Deathly Hallows. Even to the point where Hermione came out and asked:
'Do you trust me Harry'
And Harry nodded!
Its like she rubbed in our faces how perfect H/Hr was just to make it not happen."
I think I'm beginning to understand the Harmonian logic... trust automatically implies romantic love.
But only when it's Harry trusting Hermione. And while I agree that DH had a little of JKR poking fun at shippers... I'd have to say it was limited to the Ron-vs-Horcrux scene...
"By the way, I just realised how hot silent communication can be."
Harry/Voldie/Sev: OT3!
Hopedreamer:
"Though JKR attempted in the Interview of Doom to explain how Ginny was Harry's ideal girl (lame though said attempt was), she seems never to have made a similar effort, either there or elsewhere, to explain why Ron was Hermione's ideal guy."
I agree that Harry and Ginny could've used a little more onscreen development, rather than Harry just pining after her for most of the book... but the only people who need it explained why Ron/Hermione works are delusional, spiteful Weasely-bashers dedicated Harmonians. Because they spent seven books in active denial.
mystiquefire:
"JKR owns these characters and she can do whatever she wants with them. BUT... Just because our views don't follow what she wants us to see does not make our views wrong."
Well... JKR created their universe... so YES, it does make you wrong.
H_E_Granger:
"JK is the author, she can do whatever she wants. We may not think she's doing the right thing, but what can we do? We can still hang around here sharing opinions and thoughts on the wonderful pair of Harry and Hermione. So, we didn't sail - and so what? We still support the best ship."
A rare moment of sanity...
"We still have the best values."
And then it all gets blown to shit.
Seamus22:
"I feel justly disappointed and slightly annoyed at JKR for going the easy route instead of the right one."
They keep repeating this... has anyone ever figured out exactly why Ron/Hermione is supposed to be the "easy" route?
"I think to justify myself to a Heron I know I said if JKR had written in R/Hr I would of accepted it if she would matured their friendship by at least PoA."
So R/Hr is acceptable... but only if they manage to grow up by the age of thirteen. *headdesk*
Translation: I want to seem mature, so I'll accept it, but only under near-impossible conditions.
"it just continues to look like a relationship built on jealousy and abuse though it isn't very physical abuse...aside from the canaries. I felt kind of vindicated when that happened."
So... they feel vindicated by Hermione getting jealous over Ron snogging another girl?
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+++OUT OF CHEESE ERROR, PLEASE REBOOT UNIVERSE+++
Ravenclaw(d69):
"I think he [Harry] realises that if she's with Ron, than he can be be around her as much as he likes. Not that I'm saying he's happy about it, I think its clear in DH that he's not too thrilled, but he accepts it better."
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At what point is Harry "not too thrilled" that Hermione and Ron are finally getting off their asses and actually acknowledging their feelings for one another? ... Oh, wait, fan-logic...
And in response to the above gem...
CarolineD:
"That is what True Love is all about isn't it? two people a stand by to each other no matter what or who? come betwêen them."
If they wanted to stand together, no matther who or what, wouldn't they have just, you know, GOTTEN TOGETHER?
+++MR JELLY MR JELLY!+++
In response to someone pointing out that Harry and Hermione are now siblings-in-law...
Seamus22:
"That doesn't make me feel better...actually it makes me feel worse. Why does everything JKR does in DH feel like a giant F you to harmonians...WHY!!!"
Because you take everything way too personally...?
If I've managed to violate any community rules here, let me know and I'll make the appopriate changes. | comments: Poke a delusional shipper     |
| They keep repeating this... has anyone ever figured out exactly why Ron/Hermione is supposed to be the "easy" route?
Well, the relationship based on abiding friendship and mutual romantic attractionis generally easier than the one that you're forced into by crazy people to fulfill some obligation to platonic love and alchemy. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| I've heard two arguments about this:
1) H/G and R/Hr is the easy route because everyone expects it. H/Hr will make Ginny, Ron, Mrs. Weasley, and a whole bunch of other people upset, but Harry and Hermione shouldn't sacrifice their happiness over these nobodies.
2) Ginny the Pureblood getting the hero of the wizarding world and Hermione the Muggleborn getting stuck with a loser means Voldemort's ideals have triumphed even if he hadn't.
Nonsense? From Harmonians? What did you expect? Earth logic? | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| I'm sorry, I'm still stuck on Hermione Darcy Potter.
Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha! | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
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| "I don't believe we were illusional at ALL. We have been analyzing this ship to the brink of insanity for years."
That kinda sums it up right there. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| | Heh. I find the more you analyze something, the easier it is to accept any conclusions, no matter how far-fetched they might be. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| Ravenclaw(d69):
"I think he [Harry] realises that if she's with Ron, than he can be be around her as much as he likes. Not that I'm saying he's happy about it, I think its clear in DH that he's not too thrilled, but he accepts it better."
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At what point is Harry "not too thrilled" that Hermione and Ron are finally getting off their asses and actually acknowledging their feelings for one another? ... Oh, wait, fan-logic...
When R/Hr first kissed, Harry did ask them if this was the right time for that sort of thing because they were in the middle of a battle at the moment.
As for the original comment though, is Ravenclaw(d69) admitting that Hermione does like Ron now instead of Harry? Or are Harry and Hermione being all noble and supressing their hot platonic love for each other for Ron's pathetic self? | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| | He also kind of wangsts about it when it first occurs to him in the greenhouse during HBP. But it's in the way of, "That will suck if they don't have time for me any more." Like every teenager whose BFF gets involved with someone, even if they're not in love with them. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | Illusional...is that anything like not existing? You know--like bisexuals and English majors and girl gamers? | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| Yes, they're all illusional. Sprung from one of my kafkaesque nightmares.
Sorry about that, I'll try to wake up soon.
+++OUT OF CHEESE ERROR, PLEASE REBOOT UNIVERSE+++
HEX-LOVE! | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| Though JKR attempted in the Interview of Doom to explain how Ginny was Harry's ideal girl (lame though said attempt was), she seems never to have made a similar effort, either there or elsewhere, to explain why Ron was Hermione's ideal guy.
She didn't need to. That was spectacularly done in the books themselves.
I think to justify myself to a Heron I know I said if JKR had written in R/Hr I would of accepted it if she would matured their friendship by at least PoA.
Wow... has this person actually read all the books? Or did they just watch the movies and read the epilogue of DH?
If I recall correctly, when Ron and Hermione had their fallout in PoA, Harry sided with Ron. That's a great sign... | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| | And OotP had Hermione and Ron teaming up constantly to play voice of reason to ranty, angsty Harry, yet it's the Harmonian bible thanks to... that part where Harry yelled at Hermione a lot, I guess. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| JKR doesn't know her own characters ... check.
We've been analyzing for years, we must be right ... check.
JKR corrupts our youths ... check.
Friendship between a boy and a girl must lead to love ... check.
Rare moment of sanity, diluted by ship superiority complex ... check.
R/Hr is "easy", H/Hr would have been "right" ... check.
Harry is really just pining for Hermione ... check.
Yep, same ol', same ol'. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| "We still have the best values."
Yeah, if upgefrigged sexist twonk-nogginry counts for 'values'. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| Oh, and I can't help but think that Harry also trusts Neville and Luna, too. The Potter bedroom is truly a kinky place, in Harmonian Land.
OT6! | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| (Anonymous) | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2007-08-17 02:46 pm (UTC) |
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| They keep repeating this... has anyone ever figured out exactly why Ron/Hermione is supposed to be the "easy" route?
Well, if they're talking about the actual relationships, I have no idea where that logic came from, due to the fact that they're always saying that if Hermione was with Harry, she wouldn't have to go through all those struggles she goes with Ron. They're always saying that they would get it right straight away. Not like stupid Ron and Hermione who had to go through years and years of tears, misunderstandings, and growing up in order to get their act together.
But if they're talking about JK's actual choice, it's just their way of saying that since they're the minority, they're right and more moral and holy and that the majority is just stupid and oppressive, so therefore, JK should've taken their side. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| (Anonymous) | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2007-08-17 03:44 pm (UTC) |
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| The crazy, it never ends.
Now they are writing fic about Harry and Hermione going to visit JKR after book 7 is published. The canon denial was so prevalent I couldn't even finish the first chapter.
Link - http://fanfiction.portkey.org/story/7484 | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| "Why does everything JKR does in DH feel like a giant F you to harmonians...WHY!!!"
Really? Everything?
I would like to see the Harmonian logic explain every scene and how it was purposely written just to thumb a nose at them. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| relationship built on jealousy and abuse
Putting aside the abuse thing, since it's just too crazy for me to touch, even if I had a ten-foot pull coated in batshit repellent....
Why is it an OMG bad thing for someone to be jealous when the object of their affection is with someone else? Isn't that, I don't know, normal? And how the hell does that equate to "built on jealousy" anyway? | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
mcity | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2007-08-18 03:40 am (UTC) |
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| Translation: I want to seem mature, so I'll accept it, but only under near-impossible conditions. Did I mention how they blamed Jo for not "officially" shooting them down on her website like she did with Neville/Luna? Because bluntly stating it's platonic in an interview doesn't count.
So... they feel vindicated by Hermione getting jealous over Ron snogging another girl? I'm still trying to find one instance where Ron assaulted Hermione. One. Versus Hermione's canary scene and the one in DH that I can remember off the top of my head.
Because you take everything way too personally...? Did I mention how they thought JKR specifically wrote OBHWF as a shot at the Harmoanians? Like a multi-millionairess with a readership of hundreds of thousands, if not millions, went out of her way to kick sand in the face of a few hundred people online? | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| The thing that annoys me is that I really love the relationship between Harry and Hermione. When these people say that it's not worth anything unless the pair of them start screwing, it really pisses me off. The Harmonians get so close... and yet they understand nothing. Yes, Harry and Hermione have a wonderful and close relationship - they're right about that. But everything else... ugh.
I also adore those moments when Ron and Hermione have this kind of mutual "Our best friend is crazy, LOL" moments. Whenever he starts ranting about Draco in HBP... when they dragoon him to lead the DA in OotP... I guess I just love the relationship between the trio, really, and the Harmonian tendency to unbalance and destroy it annoys me. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| Okay..I completely missed this at first, but..
how on earth are Ron and Hermione like Lizzie and Wickham??? | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
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The HMS STFU - Just Or Unjust Batshit?
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