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| I'm a Snape fan, and believe me, I'm as perplexed about this kind of thing as you are.
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| | ...And considering that I think Jo was fairly anvilicious about anti-muggle-prejudice in the story = racism, I'd say this whole article is making me very, very sad about this person's state of denial right now. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| Just about anything posted at Snapedom is inherently ridiculous, even if they occasionally have some decent points hidden in half a sentence.
*looks* Oh damn, I friended her. I thought she was sane D: | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| | Am I the only one who keeps expecting Snapedom to be a sex comm of some kind? | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
![[info]](http://www.journalfen.net/img/userinfo.gif) mcity | | Subject: | *formatting repost | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2008-06-15 05:17 am (UTC) |
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| I propose that fandom discussions describe blood prejudice in the wizarding world as just that, blood prejudice, not acceptable, but neither unpardonable, and no more or less culpable than any other form of prejudice I don't get out in fandom too much-I'm allergic to crazy-but I'm fairly certain they already do. Or maybe I'm thinking of the books.
and leave the highly-charged and not entirely accurate label of "racism" out of the discussion. Mind you, the part where Death Eaters are based on Nazis seems to have passed her by entirely. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| Snapecackdom = fuckwittage central for the HP fandom.
And demonstrable proof that the idea of 'no child left behind' hasn't worked. None of them can read for toffee. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| | ...you know, I agree that Severus was abused as a kid, and that kids who're abused often turn into the abuser themselves. But that doesn't excuse everything he did, or the fact that he was so goddamn petty that he treated his rival's son horribly. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| | You know, it would have been interesting if Snape hadn't let his hatred of James get in the way in his dealings with Harry. What if Harry had looked more like his mother and less like his father? Would Snape's unthinking prejudice have been lessened if he hadn't been so furious at the sins of the father. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| (Anonymous) | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2008-10-27 11:46 pm (UTC) |
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| To me, that's the great tragedy of The Girl Who Lived. The alleged concept - everything the same except James and Lily had a girl - has so much potential. Dudley's bullying changes, her personality changes, she could have any combination of traits inherited from her parents (which in turn affects Snape), romance becomes way different of course, her relationships with all the Weasleys might be different...
Hell, Dumbledore was a little vague on why Voldemort went after Harry instead of Neville, save that "He saw himself in you before he had ever seen you." Hmm... :-) Though that plot's been done plenty of times, and there's also the fact that the prophecy says "and the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not." And that'd change...damn.
tl;dr: Has the fem!Harry concept ever been done RIGHT?
-shay_guy on LJ | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| (Anonymous) | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2008-06-19 03:14 pm (UTC) |
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| You could excuse Snape up to PoA. Until then, maybe he was just the hard-ass teacher who made you feel like shit so you'd work harder and harder to prove him wrong. It was possible.
Then he went and made fun of Neville in a class that wasn't his. He said awful things in front of the other students and a teacher about a 13 year old boy, and since it wasn't Potions and he wasn't teaching, you knew he was doing it just to be a bastard.
Ar that point, the Snapefen put on the blinders, shut off the lights, and put their fingers in their ears. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | Yeah, that's definitely a great example of Snape crossing the line between tough teacher and bully. And even though I know to expect batshit from the Snapefen, it always surprises me that they can ignore that -- whatever their feelings for MWPP and Harry are, Neville did nothing to earn that treatment. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| (Anonymous) | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2008-06-22 08:50 pm (UTC) |
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| | There's also the "I see no difference" line about Hermione's teeth. There's just no excuse acting like that towards anyone, let alone a fourteen year old girl who's going to have all sorts of esteem issues already. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| Again, apologies for being late.
Would you believe that one person I remember reading (maybe it was marionros, actually...) actually tried to claim she thought "I see no difference" meant the double casting of spells between Harry and Draco?
That's a stretch and a half, but Sevvie is never a spiteful jerk to people who can't fight back. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| Translation: WHEN HE COULD HAVE ME INSTEAD?!
I don't know. The way they whine about what big meanies James and Sirius are, and how much they identify with Sev, I think they want to be Snape. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| (Anonymous) | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2008-06-15 02:44 pm (UTC) |
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| The OP (bohemianspirit) asks "Is Anti-Muggle Prejudice Really the Unpardonable Sin?"
Well, I don't know bohemianspirit. If you were Black and your "best friend" hung out with Klan members and called you racial epithets, would that be a deal breaker? Would that make you the big meanie cheerleader when you refused to accept his apology and have any more to do with him?
I realize that blood prejudice is not real, but it is analgous to real-life racism and prejudice. It is meant to be just as real and damaging to the characters in the HP verse.
So to answer your question bohemianspirit: yes, anti-Muggle prejudice is an unpardonable sin when you are Muggleborn and your best friend calls you a Mudblood.
What an idiot. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| (Anonymous) | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2008-06-15 02:50 pm (UTC) |
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| | OK. I must reply to myself because I just read some of the comments to the linked post. Clearly, most of the posters completely missed the fact that blood prejudice was meant to be a metaphor. They are talking about literal racism over there in their efforts to trip over themselves to justify their Snape/Slytherin worship. (Clearly these people did not do well on the analogy part of the SATs.) | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| Exactly. It's the same as if Lily were black and he'd used the "N" word and started hanging out with Klan members. And she's suppposed to forgive that?
First, applying the term "race" to one's blood status in the wizarding world is imprecise. Concern with "purity" of blood lines, coming from the "right" families and the "right" kinds of families, is surely as much a class issue, if not more so, than a race issue.
No, it's a race issue. There are pureblood families who are poor, like the Weasleys, who are looked down on by pureblood families with money, like the Malfoys. Anything that's about blood is about race--that's what blood IS.
The fail is massive with this one. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
lakme | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2008-06-25 10:00 pm (UTC) |
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| Thank you! I don't understand these people.
And nothing excuses the way Snape treated Neville. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| (Anonymous) | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2008-06-15 09:35 pm (UTC) |
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| Sigh. When they carry on about how evil James was, it just becomes so clear that they have a "James" somewhere in their past that they are projecting on. Nothing else can explain the level of hate for a character that, while flawed, was one of the good guys. It's amazing how they completely reject and deny all evidence that James changed and matured as an adult.
You can just hear the underlying howls of "that mean girl in high school is teh evil - I don't care if she's now a nun who works with war orphans - She was mean to me so she is EVIL FOREVER!!!"
Wonder if they'll even go to their high school reunions? | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | No kidding. You only have to look at one of those commenters' icon that assimilates Snape's death to "Jocks Win/Nerds Lose" (um, hello, cultural ethnocentrism, anyone? They do realise that the "jock" stereotype is pure Americana, right?) to see that high schools issues and over-identification are the key here. It's exactly the same for the people who say that Ginny is like the ZOMG slutty cheerleader who got all the guys!! despite all evidence of the contrary. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | Wait, didn't James die before Snape? So that would mean that, if we're going with American stereotypes here, the nerd won? | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
lakme | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2008-06-25 10:07 pm (UTC) |
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| Check out this one:
Actually, if you think about some earlier posts... about whether James showed signs of being an abuser and/or specifically abusive to Lily....
Well, there is a very obvious and rational reason why an abuser would choose a woman whose relatives are COMPLETELY, totally, genetically powerless to protect her from him....
Sort of gives a different twist to the thought that in a household that KNEW they were targeted by Lord Voldemort, the wife didn't have an emergency Portkey in the baby's nursery....
Eh?
How stupid are these people? | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| dryad | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2008-06-26 12:20 am (UTC) |
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| Either that or willfully delusional. I've often noticed that people with staggering levels of irrational hatred for a fictional character are so determined to hate him/her that they'll interpret every single aspect of the character in the WORST light possible. It's like they can't bear that James, even though he made some horrible mistakes when he was a teenager, was generally still a good person, so they have to come up with new things to vilify him for. Even if they make NO sense to the average reader.
I'm also kind of bemused at the implication that Lily wouldn't be capable of defending herself. Because Lily has never been shown standing up for herself in any way at all, nope. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| Apologies for replying late, but I'm wondering, before Harry Potter became a Big Thing (i.e. prior to approximately 2001, when GoF came out and the movies started coming out), who was the last major character in any realm to have Buckets of Hate besides Wesley Crusher? Actually, even the Wesley Hate seems to have been quite tame especially by today's standards.
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| (Anonymous) | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2008-10-28 12:09 am (UTC) |
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| Well, The Phantom Menace came out in '99. (Also, was Harry Potter really not a Big Thing before then?)
-shay_guy on LJ | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | No, not really. It was popular enough to be put in bookstores windows with Prisoner of Azkaban, and 1999 and thereabouts is when the word of mouth/'net started to spread. But GoF really brought down the media attention and started the HP phenomenon. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
lakme | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2008-06-25 10:02 pm (UTC) |
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| Seriously, WTF? I doubt James even knew Snape was half-blood.
I think his comment referred to Snape's interests, which James loathed. Particularly, the dark arts. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| So, just based on the subject question I'm gonna guess that the whole HP-world-blood-prejudice concept = real-world-racism went right the hell over her head.
*rolls eyes*
And if Snape were a real person he would Crucio most of his fans, simply because they are an embarrassment to his name. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| intended-to-be inspiring Great Love of Severus for Lily,
There is not enough WHAT in the known universe. Maybe we can get some from whatever universe bohemianspirit is reading the books in. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| (Anonymous) | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2008-06-26 02:34 pm (UTC) |
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| There is not enough WHAT in the known universe. Maybe we can get some from whatever universe bohemianspirit is reading the books in.
Maybe it would make sense if we had some of the crack she/he is smoking. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
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