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The HMS STFU - Meta Part 2: Ron, Hermione, Jealousy, and Bad Cliches (Part 1)
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| (Anonymous) | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2009-05-02 06:58 pm (UTC) |
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| | It's funny that people seem to blame Ron for Harry not befriending Slytherins when it was Harry's own first meeting with Draco and Hagrid's initial spiel about Slytherin being a dark house and all of the DE being from it that really influenced his feelings. He was anti-Slytherin long before he was pro-Gryffindor. Ron influenced him wanting to be in Gryffindor, but he didn't influence him not wanting to be in Slytherin, it was the snobbery and Hagrid that did that. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | Ron gets blamed for everything. I've seen him blamed for Harry not being at the top of his class, for crying out loud. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| (Anonymous) | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2009-05-02 07:07 pm (UTC) |
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| | Whaaaat? Harry's not the top of his class because he doesn't study unless someone makes him, lmao! Also, didn't Lucius Malfoy say that Hermione was the reason that Draco wasn't top of his class? Which would make Draco second? | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | It was part of a fic that used it as an excuse for Harry to ditch Ron entirely out of nowhere. And it turned Ron worse than even Draco. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| (Anonymous) | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2009-05-02 07:13 pm (UTC) |
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| | That's so weird to me. Ron's hardly a bad influence on Harry, Harry has no real interest in academics... probably because he's too busy worrying about not dying and killing Voldemort and all that. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | People seem to entirely miss the point of the series. Harry would have to study for a literal lifetime to know as much about magic as Voldemort or Dumbledore. Mostly he gets by with the help of his friends. And a good helping of "sheer dumb luck." | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| (Anonymous) | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2009-05-02 07:36 pm (UTC) |
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| I have to think that instead of just missing the point, they decide to deny that's the point and invent something else instead, because they don't like the point. Because to me it's pretty obvious that one of JKR's messages is that academics aren't everything and that grades aren't a mark of one's intelligence or talent, as we can see with the Weasley twins. And the whole Slytherin Ambition thing is pretty negatively viewed because it has to do with excelling on your own to the detriment of others, and being willing to do anything, moral or not, to succeed.
I don't know how she could have said 'teamwork is better!' any clearer than with Harry, Ron, and Hermione... I find it completely unbelievable that anyone would think that Harry would ever either blame his academic state on Ron, or even to think that his personal academic success was more important than the support and love and protection their group gives each other. If Snape had had a single friend he could actually trust, there might have been someone around to save his neck in the end, the way Ron saved Harry from drowning in the lake. Because the knowledge of how to do something is completely worthless if you're dead. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| (Anonymous) | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2009-05-02 09:23 pm (UTC) |
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| Also, didn't Lucius Malfoy say that Hermione was the reason that Draco wasn't top of his class? Which would make Draco second?
I'm not sure that's entirely clear. Lucius, if I remember rightly, is upset because Hermione, a muggle-born, has better marks than Draco. Some pure-bloods or half-bloods might also have better marks, and that wouldn't worry him so much. (Though I think it's unlikely Harry is one of them.) | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| (Anonymous) | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2009-05-04 03:05 pm (UTC) |
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| | I couldn't remember the exact phrasing, but you're right, that's totally plausible. I might have misremembered what he said, I just had the impression that Draco was potentially the second-place slot. Though throughout the books he only occasionally shows himself to be intelligent, most of the time his snotty behaviour just makes him look like a douche, so I don't think he comes across as a good student outside of class. But he does seem to do just fine in his classes, at least the ones he shares with Harry, so I think it's still possible that he's high on the class ranking. But yeah, Harry really doesn't care at all about that kind of thing, so I doubt he's beating Draco (and I doubt he'd care that he wasn't). If nothing else, Draco does have clear family pressure to do well in classes, whereas Harry's accomplishments matter only to himself and he's not worried about disappointing his family with his marks. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
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The HMS STFU - Meta Part 2: Ron, Hermione, Jealousy, and Bad Cliches (Part 1)
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