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The HMS STFU - OK, this is just stupid
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| his response to actual textual evidence by posters is even more stupid:
"Nothing of the previous posts prove anything about Harry ever chosing himself to die at all in the Forest - it all proves the contrary, in fact. He doesn't accept his death himself, Lirene, he accepts that that is the plan which, according to DD, has to be fulfilled. He blindly accepts the plan, not his death, and even less was he choosing it, but merely executing a plan which happened to involve his death. "The Forest Again"-Chapter is all about feelings towards his death (which he had already accepted ever since hearing about it merely because DD told him to do it - there's no sequence about having any reflection at all about his being supposed to die, which he accepts just like that, without the tiniest hesitation - and I don't need explicit sentences for things like that to be conveyed, but there isn't anything else neither), not about questioning whether or not he's gonna do it in the first place, and then choosing (=which would be a genuin [sic] choice then) to do it himself. And he hasn't gone through any inner death-preparation-development either throughout the series, because he has already in essentials been like that in book one, not wanting the Stone which makes you live (which is metaphorically very telling). In fact, he couldn't even have made a choice to die at all, because he was never drawn to life in the first place, he was always like that - like already dead - and it is therefore no achievement for him to die when he had already jumped into being never having cared about death at all, in the first place.
But I accept that we disagree on all that stuff." | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| (Anonymous) | | Subject: | stupid? | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2009-05-26 11:08 pm (UTC) |
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| Evidently you and the others here didn't follow the discussion on the Leaky Lounge all that long, because as I very clearly explained there, I'm no fan whatsoever of EXPLICIT writing (as I even pointed out in the very post you're quoting above, as well as in subsequent ones), I never asked for there to be EXPLICIT sentences to show Harry's choice, in fact I think explicit writing is the most lazy writing there is. I only questioned whether Harry was merely Dumbledore's puppet, or an individual person with OWN reasoning - independently of what Dumbledore tells him. That's all, I'm not stupid, thank you, I'm merely examining the text very closely and logically (being a philosopher and mathematician, so that's where my approach to texts is coming from, and which I have the right to question). And yes, I can also agree to disagree on a subject, as I said above, which is not condescending, actually, but quite the contrary.
WalnutWandCarrier
PS: I'm not the only one who's questioning Harry's independence, btw, there's also Dan Hemmens and Jim Adam, for example, and both make some well-thought-out points, as well as rubbish ones. You may want to check them out on the net. May expand your minds a bit. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
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