The HMS STFU - Snape is like Eliza Bennett in a way
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June 19th, 2009
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| He also never has to prove himself to anyone - they just accept him ...Wait, did I misread the bit where the public is convinced for entire books that Harry is either a crazy, a liar or evil? Sure, it all ends well, but there's this whole thing where Harry has to find evidence and, you know, prove he's telling the truth. Also, WTF is this about Snape not using Unforgivables? | ||||||
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| I think she's got some larger viewpoint/argument about how Snape never uses Unforgivables ... unless he has to because Dumbledore forces him! I think usually this stance ends up meaning that Snape isn't really a Death Eater or isn't "as bad" as the rest of them and that, since this doesn't relate at all, James is more like a Death Eater than Snape because James probably used Unforgivables all the time even though it never actually says that anywhere. I think. I'm sure I've seen her argue various variations of this multiple times. | ||||||
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| So, the argument that completely ignores that Snape was a Death Eater until he realised they were going to kill someone he actually liked? Because I can't see him getting away with playing nice guy in the DEs for several years. Seriously, for people who go on about realism and all, they don't seem to get the concept of morally grey. Or, you know, Snape's redemption actually being significant because he actually did things he needed redeeming for. | ||||||
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| Seriously, for people who go on about realism and all, they don't seem to get the concept of morally grey. Or, you know, Snape's redemption actually being significant because he actually did things he needed redeeming for. This this this. These sort of fen seriously need to investigate the concept of redemption, of hitting rock bottom before turning around, etc. Simply having all of your negative aspects explained away doesn't "redeem" someone; doing something to make up for the negative aspects is what has to happen, and even then it may not be enough. We had James presented to us, at first, as the perfect dead-father-on-a-pedestal. Then Harry found that he had feet of clay. Okay, James is done, you can stick a fork in him. We found out about his good and not-so-good sides. It isn't necessary to keep piling on with the bad stuff. He wasn't perfect, we get it. But the Snapefen keep harping on anything negative about him and sometimes just make stuff up (we know NOTHING about James and Unforgivables) while simultaneously trying to turn Snape into the second coming (because that Potter brat wasn't really "The Chosen One", you know--it was Snape). They do the same thing with demonizing Harry, Dumbledore, the Weasleys, etc. It's all whitewashing the DEs all the time and piling on with characters we KNOW aren't perfect and shouldn't want to be, since they're more interesting as well-rounded characters. I'd be a lot less miffed with Slytherfen in general if all they wanted to do was show some well-roundedness in those characters, instead of trying to make them all-good and making out the non-Slytherins to be all-evil. They really don't get the idea that JKR didn't create a black-and-white world; I think it wasn't simplistic enough for them, so they had to strip away the complications. Oddly enough, most children who read the books are better able to deal with the shades of grey than these so-called "adult" readers. Also, these idiots need to STEP AWAY FROM JANE AUSTEN. NOW. | ||||||
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| You've said pretty much all of it. :) Have a cookie. :) The only thing that I might add is that I do not understand why there is this intense need to 'rehabilitate' Snape and make him the centerpiece of JKR's work. There has been literature before, during, and after the Harry Potter era in which the teenagers step in and save the day. Hell, look at John Christopher's Tripod series. I don't think the lot of it combined has ever created so much wank as HP. I agree that the "Expelliarmus" ending seems kind of a weak endpoint to all the build-up in the HP books, but it exemplifies what seems to be the case with Harry: with a lot of luck and help from his friends, he manages to pull through and accomplish what he believes needs to be done. [ Sure, I'd have liked to see a badass!training!powerfulspells!Harry, but that's what fanfic is for. ;) ] It's almost as though the Snapefen unconsciously adopt his biases and thoughts regarding Harry and feel they need to prove Harry is not worthy of being the centerpiece of the novels and that he doesn't deserve the accolades that probably were his after the events of DH. They have a weak case to make over the fact that it was likely Lily's behavior that interacted with the prophecy and preserved Harry's existence against the day when he could truly 'vanquish' Voldemort, yet Harry was the one feted over it. But that said, subsequent events weren't written the way they presumably wanted it to happen; tough luck. | ||||||
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The HMS STFU - Snape is like Eliza Bennett in a way
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