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The HMS STFU - Some more insanity from vaudree
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| | Subject: | Some more insanity from vaudree | | Time: | 01:14 pm |
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| From her today's post:
Wasn’t it Draco whose jinx hit Hermione? If one acknowledges the crime, then one has to acknowledge the criminal. Hermione was not in pain, but she was humiliated by the jinx because a part of her appearance she disliked had become even more pronounced. Ron was being mean too because, instead of considering Hermione’s feelings, he was bent on revealing Draco’s crime so that Draco would get punished. Snape’s comments could be interpreted two ways – one that Hermione should not be so concerned with appearances – because they do not matter. The other is that since Hermione’s teeth were already long, they didn’t seem any longer. It is hard to discern between the two since, except for Lily’s eyes, Snape doesn’t seem too concern with appearances.
I think that JKR got “I see no difference” from Salmon Rushdie’s SV the part where the guy who condemned Baal said that he saw no difference between poets and prostitutes. It is just the same tone and flow of words in both and JKR was in awe of Rushdie during the interview they did together. Why is it that women are so hung up with our appearances any way. Aren’t we more than just the way we look? The teeth did not enhance Hermione’s appearance, but they also did not prevent her from learning or performing magic.
Mudblood – are you saying that couples in mixed marriages do not bring out the racial slurs when they have arguments? People say the most hurtful things they can think of when they feel slighted or hurt by those they care about. Not addressing that one again – said it too many times. | comments: Poke a delusional shipper     |
| Um, wasn't Ron's concern STICKING UP FOR HERMIONE after Snape WENT OUT OF HIS WAY to hit her with a cheap shot? Wasn't the point of the passage to show that Snape literally CANNOT see his students' wrongdoings if they're committed against people Snape hates?
And you could easily argue that part of the point of Snape insulting Hermione like that was to goad Harry and Ron into cursing him out so he'd have an excuse to punish them. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| Since when did attempting to see that justice is done not constitute concern for the victim?
I've come to accept that the people whose follies are posted here are batshit fucking crazy; I just never expected mind and reality to have quite this degree of divorce. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| (Anonymous) | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2009-06-25 01:05 pm (UTC) |
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| Mudblood – are you saying that couples in mixed marriages do not bring out the racial slurs when they have arguments?
Yes, actually. I would like to think that there are some lines that you do not cross, even when angry and upset. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| | I think if you are the sort of person who uses racial slurs, you are not very likely to marry someone of different race. Or am I being hopelessly romantic/naive/obtuse, here? | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
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Mudblood – are you saying that couples in mixed marriages do not bring out the racial slurs when they have arguments? People say the most hurtful things they can think of when they feel slighted or hurt by those they care about.
Well at least s/he admits that Ron cares about Hermione. Other then that, hell yes. I am not saying that Ron would never insult/hurt Hermione, but there are so many other things he can say/do then bring her background into it. Oh, some people might, but Ron is not one of them.
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| Yeah, I'm really boggling over that one. YELLING RACIAL SLURS AT PEOPLE ISN'T NORMAL OR HEALTHY. And who the hell would say something like that to their spouse?
Idk who that poster's been hanging around, but that is some seriously messed up shit. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| Augh. I started a point by point reply ... but I really can't be arsed and its all bullshit anyway. Instead I'm going to go watch Billy Connolly swear a lot and be generally funny.
Why does this shit always annoy me so much? LOL
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| (Anonymous) | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2009-06-25 02:07 pm (UTC) |
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| I...what? Snape is not telling Hermione she needs to stop concentrating on doing her nails and get on with the important stuff - he is being a bastard because it's something she's obviously sensitive about. He is not even being accidentally insensitive and genuinely not noticing the difference because those type of things escape his notice. What he is doing is being cruel to a 14 year old girl because it amuses him.
"The teeth did not enhance Hermione's appearance, but they also did not prevent her from learning or performing magic."
I have always got the impression that magic is also linked to a person's self confidence and concentration. Neville, for example, is able to cast spells better once he starts getting more confident in OoTP and believes that, yes, he can actually do things. If Hermione is feeling as though everyone is staring at her teeth (whether they are or not), surely she might get nervous? Also, and far more to the point, is the fact that a witch isn't just a spell machine, she's a person, and comments like Snape's aren't going to do much for her self-esteem, especially since he isn't commenting neutrally or genuinely not understanding what the fuss is, but to hurt her feelings.
"...except for Lily's eyes, Snape doesn't seem too concern with appearance."
Unless, of course, you count the fact that one of the reason he hates Harry so much is because he looks almost exactly like his dad.
Why can't they just leave Snape alone? I like him as a bitter, griping snarky character. I have no problem with fanon Snape being slightly different, but stop clutching at straws to make him Canon. He's not a nice guy, he doesn't have sex appeal and he isn't going to come back from the dead. Completely aside, I wonder if Nagini gets as much hate from Snape fans as Harry does?
Sin_Thunder. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| (Anonymous) | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2009-06-25 02:18 pm (UTC) |
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| | The first thing I thought of was, weirdly enough "It's spelled Salman Rushdie, not Salmon." | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| | No, it is Salmon Rushdie, the famous oceanic writer of The Shark Verses. It didn't go down well with the other fish, because of his defence of their big enemies. He has been forced to hide out in a fishtank in an undisclosed location. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| Once again, vaudree completely fails at understanding Snape's character.
I'm sure Snape was trying to tell Hermione not to be too concerned with her looks because she is too smart to worry about such shallow things. Yeah.
The lengths Snapefen will go to in order to deny Snape's faults never fails to astound me. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| | Yeah, I've noticed that--his losing Lily or being ded from Snake can't be his own fault, he has to be the universe's bitch. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| I've got no problem with people trying to explain Snape's character and psychology on the basis of his traumatic childhood; being Dumbledore's bitch; having to play a double game where one step could lead to worse than death; or even the personal agony of having lost the friendship of, and then betrayed unto death, the only person he'd ever loved.
What I can't stand is when they ignore outright the fact that he really did have a consistent pattern of cruel behaviour. The fact that he had to paint himself as being firmly in Voldemort's corner no doubt accunts in part for his particular nastiness towards the Gryffindors, but it doesn't erase the hurtfulness and injustice of those actions; and Harry's ability to rationalize and accept Snape's behaviour from the perspective of mature adulthood (reading between the lines of his speech to his younger son) doesn't change that. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
lakme | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2009-06-26 02:19 am (UTC) |
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| | I love how it's not okay for Ron to point out Hermione's teeth so that her perpetrator is punished, but it's okay for Snape to call Lily a racist remark. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
mcity | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2009-06-25 03:25 pm (UTC) |
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| Ron was being mean too because, instead of considering Hermione’s feelings, he was bent on revealing Draco’s crime so that Draco would get punished. Anyone familiar with that "Nipper" RCA logo? The one where the dog is looking at a gramophone with his head tilted, all "what is this I don't even"?
That's about the look on my face right now. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| (Anonymous) | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2009-06-25 05:51 pm (UTC) |
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| Um, weren't her teeth growing past her jaw and getting longer? That's not just a shallow cosmetic issue, that's going to cause her all sorts of problems.
And besides that, unless you're really close and you know what they don't mind being teased about, I would be extremely wary of talking about a young girl's appearance in any way that could be construed negatively. I put up a pretty good show of being confident and secure, but I'll admit to being shattered inwardly by a few playful comments from a guy friend who doesn't understand that feelings are illogical. Then he got mad at me for calling him insensitive.
I can't even fathom hearing something like that from a TEACHER at FIFTEEN years old. There is no excuse for an adult authority figure saying something like that to a young teenage girl.
-Seven of Diamonds | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| (Anonymous) | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2009-06-25 10:06 pm (UTC) |
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| Um, weren't her teeth growing past her jaw and getting longer? That's not just a shallow cosmetic issue, that's going to cause her all sorts of problems.
EXACTLY, thank you. It's not like you'll be able to do magic (or eat, for god's sake) with huge friggin fangs in your way. Not to mention Ron was completely concerned, he ran up to Hermione and tried to see what was wrong with her, he wanted Malfoy to get punished for hurting his friend, and read Snape the riot act along with Harry when Snape COMPLETELY HUMILIATED HER AND MADE HER CRY. That's in every way how a good friend should act. Yeah, he dragged Hermione's hand away from her teeth to show Snape the damage, but like Harry said, they were past her chin, everyone could see them anyway.
And the idea that Snape wouldn't notice HR's teeth had grown A FOOT because "he doesn't care about appearance" is laughable.
Snape doesn't need to teach Hermione a lesson about caring about appearance, because anyone who pays the slightest attention to Hermione would know she doesn't give a good goddamn about her looks except on special occasions. She said in the fourth book "Yo, so I could make my hair all nice all the time like I did at the Yule Ball, but that's just way too much of a bother. More important things."
Yeah, there's a girl obsessed with appearance. That girl who spends all her time with her nose in a book and can't be bothered to put on makeup. Yup. I don't care about appearance either, but I know I'd freak the hell out if my teeth were growing past my chin. It's natural.
And for the last point- if my beloved called me a racial slur in a fight (or sexual one, I guess, can't really use the racial example, as I'm white) he'd be dumped faster than an incriminating corpse.
-Nev | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| (Anonymous) | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2009-06-25 10:07 pm (UTC) |
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| Um, weren't her teeth growing past her jaw and getting longer? That's not just a shallow cosmetic issue, that's going to cause her all sorts of problems.
EXACTLY, thank you. It's not like you'll be able to do magic (or eat, for god's sake) with huge friggin fangs in your way. Not to mention Ron was completely concerned, he ran up to Hermione and tried to see what was wrong with her, he wanted Malfoy to get punished for hurting his friend, and read Snape the riot act along with Harry when Snape COMPLETELY HUMILIATED HER AND MADE HER CRY. That's in every way how a good friend should act. Yeah, he dragged Hermione's hand away from her teeth to show Snape the damage, but like Harry said, they were past her chin, everyone could see them anyway.
And the idea that Snape wouldn't notice HR's teeth had grown A FOOT because "he doesn't care about appearance" is laughable.
Snape doesn't need to teach Hermione a lesson about caring about appearance, because anyone who pays the slightest attention to Hermione would know she doesn't give a good goddamn about her looks except on special occasions. She said in the fourth book "Yo, so I could make my hair all nice all the time like I did at the Yule Ball, but that's just way too much of a bother. More important things."
Yeah, there's a girl obsessed with appearance. That girl who spends all her time with her nose in a book and can't be bothered to put on makeup. Yup. I don't care about appearance either, but I know I'd freak the hell out if my teeth were growing past my chin. It's natural.
And for the last point- if my beloved called me a racial slur in a fight (or sexual one, I guess, can't really use the racial example, as I'm white) he'd be dumped faster than an incriminating corpse.
-Nev | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
lakme | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2009-06-26 02:31 am (UTC) |
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| OMG, have you guys read the thread in question?
Neville does not fear getting hurt or even death – what he fears is messing up – and the two people which seem to illicit that fear in him the most are his grandma and Snape.
Yeah, I'm SURE that's it. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
lakme | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2009-06-26 02:38 am (UTC) |
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| Sorry, shouldn't have hit the "comment" button so soon--there's more I need to rant about.
Why Eileen allowed herself to be bullied when she knew magic and Tobias didn’t I will never understand!
AGHHHHH do you not understand the dynamics of abuse at ALL?
To be fair, Snape thought that Harry intentionally set Neville up to mess up – which, if Harry had done so, would be a good reason for Harry to be chastised.
Ummm, no, I remember that scene. He was basically sniping at Harry for something he couldn't have possibly done. It'd be like saying to someone "Stop hitting yourself!" while they're using your hand to hit you.
However, it is still not ok for James to threaten Lily’s friends as a means of trying to gain a date with her because that would be molestation – coercing someone into giving consent through the use of threats.
No, sexual abuse/molestation requires some sort of, um, sexual act. Coercing someone into going out to dinner with you isn't exactly nice and it's certainly behavior that could be tied into an abusive pattern, but it isn't sexual abuse.
Harry dispels the “only 15” excuse right away by pointing out that he is 15.
Harry also isn't entirely innocent of acting like an ass as a teenager, himself. He doesn't realize this because, oh yeah, the whole unreliable narrator thing.
The good news is that this is posted at Leaky, so I'm sure people will come along and point out the inherent flaws in these arguments. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
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