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The HMS STFU - Marionros the Internet Psychologist strikes again
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| | Subject: | Marionros the Internet Psychologist strikes again | | Time: | 04:10 pm |
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| ![[info]](http://www.journalfen.net/img/userinfo.gif) terri_testing wrote Second Chance - a fanfic that explaines what "really" happened to Ariana (canon explanation is, of couse, wrong). Snapefen in the comments decided that Dumbledore was in Slytherin or Ravenclaw, not Gryffindor, and terri_testing made an obligatory comment about evil Marauders. Then marionros arrived and gave us something very special. At first she tried to justify pureblood prejudice. Later she made several tl;dr comments, where she diagnosed Dumbledore, Harry, Hermione and JKR herself as narcissists and Snape as the victim of narcissist (scroll down to see those comments), and concluded all that with "my issues, let me show you them":
Y'know, my eldest sister is a narcissist. She's never seen the inside of a psychologist or psychiatrist's office, but when I came across the term, fifteen years ago, the description was so eerily spot-on, I decided to read everything about narcissism that I could lay my hand on.
I used to call my sister a 'walking black hole'; whatever love you threw at her, it was never enough. I'm not getting into detail, but surviving the clutches of a narcissist is difficult and it always leaves scars.
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It just struck me that one of the reasons why I'm so immersed into Potter fandom when I hate those ruddy books, might be because, as the sister - and victim - of a narcissist, I'm subconsiously pulled to characters who remind me of my childhood. Who needs therapy, eh? Fandom is just as good and much cheaper. lol!
Shine on, crazy diamond. | comments: Poke a delusional shipper     |
| as the sister - and victim - of a narcissist
Getting in with the obvious before anyone else can: pot, meet kettle. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
quantumreality | | Subject: | My teal deer, let me show you it. | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2009-10-06 01:05 pm (UTC) |
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| http://terri-testing.livejournal.com/23909.html?thread=248933#t248933
mary_j_59 butts in and starts off with her usual about Dumbledore the baaaaaaaaaaad man and poor Snapey.
Then the thing that just slayed me was the part where marionros got going about narcissism and blasted off a huge screed about how horrible Dumbledore and Harry must be because marionros knows narcissism because of her learnings.
mary_j_59 comes along and says "You are so right!" and blathers more about how it's all clear - the books are full of narcissism! (Uh, wait - isn't she the one that chucked all her sources of canon material? She has a lot of chutzpah making a claim she can't verify with a close reading.)
Then marionros gets classy and stays classy by using her learnings to play a doctor on the Internet by "diagnosing" JK Rowling.
This comment by marionros is a sidesplitter of a lolarious case of Totally Missing the Point. She quotes the definition of a narcissist and the first thing that came to my mind was VOLDEMORT.
I mean, take a look at this one:
"Thus, he attacks figures of authority and social institutions with vicious, uncontrolled, almost insane rage – only to accept his due punishment (their reaction to his venomous diatribes or antisocial actions) with incredible complacency, or even relief. He engages in vitriolic humiliation of his kin and folk, of regime and government, of his firm or of the law – only to suffer pleasurably in the role of the outcast, the ex-communicated, the exlied, and the imprisoned."
That's Voldemort to a T. He seems almost content to harangue his Death Eaters about imagined faults, openly campaigns to attack the government, but ends up wasting his time on the sidelines with his grandiose plots, finally even sinking to delegating a Death Eater to do the dirty work of initiating a government takeover because he's too busy chasing after things like prophecies and the Elder Wand.
Marionros is made of some truly special... specialness, I guess, to totally veer off and take a couple good blasts at Dumbledore.
Ah yes, the usual litany continues after that - after warming up on Dumbledore she takes some more time for a big ol' screed about Harry Potter and how Snape is just so put-upon by everybody and how Harry Potter is just a giant fucktard.
tl;dr summary - marionros sets my teeth on edge, let me show you it. And she continues to excel at displaying her life issues for the gobsmack factor (I really do feel gobsmacked sometimes when she gets going like that).
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| Did you see her teal dear screed on narcissism here?
The thing that just killed me laughing was this:
One of the things I loved about Terri’s fic ‘To Much There’ is how accurately Snape concluded that, although Harry thought that the teachers and children at his muggle school didn’t like because Petunia had set them against him, it was actually because he really was a dislikable child.
My god does this woman relentless about finding things wrong with Harry Potter, even to the extent of resorting to fanfic to try and prove her point. Sheesh. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| (Anonymous) | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2009-10-06 12:48 pm (UTC) |
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| What does she say really happened? If I go near that journal I have to pull out my "Slytherins are more like the bullies that went after me than poor abused woobies" cloak and it's getting pretty worn out at this point.
- theorclair | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| (Anonymous) | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2009-10-06 01:27 pm (UTC) |
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| | Marionros being tl;dr is kind of a redundancy. I really don't get how mary and terri and the others can possibly take her seriously - do they not notice the sheer OTT VOLUME? | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| Apparently it doesn't matter to them. Or if it does, they're the most diplomatic bunch I've ever seen, since apparently her crazy cakes on a cracker made the HPfGU mods go O_o o_O and I know she was banned off potter_cliche because azazello had had enough.
So it's not like other people haven't been fed up with her screeds before. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| I just noticed this from terri_testing
Oh, you're being too harsh.
SHE SAID THAT TO MARIONROS
Excuse me while I pick up my jaw off the floor and marvel that apparently some Snapefen do know when she's going a little too far off into screed-land. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| It just struck me that one of the reasons why I'm so immersed into Potter fandom when I hate those ruddy books, might be because, as the sister - and victim - of a narcissist, I'm subconsiously pulled to characters who remind me of my childhood. Who needs therapy, eh? Fandom is just as good and much cheaper. lol!
Shine on, crazy diamond.
So very true.
At least marionros admits she has ingested the crazy cakes on a cracker. Still doesn't absolve her of her need (as azazello points out) to recite her life issues and be the center of that attention.
Who needs therapy, indeed. *rolls eyes* She'd be far more well-adjusted if she stepped back and asked herself if a reasonable person would go so far as to emulate Snape in regard to visiting the sins of the parent on the child. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| I know.
How dare those Harry Potter books be all about what Harry Potter and the people he loves think and feel and want?
How does she get Dumbledore always blames other people for his mistakes from Albus "My mistakes are correspondingly larger" Dumbledore who sat there at least Harry trash his room because his miscalculations got Sirius killed? | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| (Anonymous) | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2009-10-06 03:29 pm (UTC) |
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| | What's the reasoning behind deciding Dumbledore wasn't in Gryffindor? I thought that crowd all hated Gryffindor anyway. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| | Plus, I'm pretty certain that in the very first book either Ron or Hermione confirms that he was in Gryffindor. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| (Anonymous) | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2009-10-06 08:26 pm (UTC) |
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| | Personally I would not have found it too surprising if was in Slytherin; but that's because of his less attractive qualities; he does have a tendency to use every means to achieve his ends. Why people who think Slytherins are innocent and misunderstood should put him in Slytherin, I cannot say. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| (Anonymous) | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2009-10-06 08:04 pm (UTC) |
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| Wait wait wait. I thought the werewolf incident consisted of Sirius telling Snape about the tree, and Snape being dumb enough to fall for it? And that when James found out, he went "WTF, Sirius" and saved Snape's ass?
James may have been a total douche, but there's a bright, huge, neon-sign-decorated line between bitter and petty rivalry and wanting someone dead. And yes, I consider it a rivalry rather than bullying, because, as Snapefen have yet to understand, Hogwarts is not a Hollywood teen movie. This isn't the big dumb jock picking on the helpless nerd. In the wizard world, if you both have wands, what matters is who can cast the better spells. The reason Snape got humiliated was because he was alone (I kind of compare it to, silly as it sounds, the beginning of West Side Story where a Jet shows up in Shark territory, and is ganged up on until the other Jets arrive).
I also have a feeling that James didn't go around bragging about the incident. It seems more like he'd rather take that to his (much too early) grave. Like, "I hate you, but I don't want you dead. We'll never speak of this again, greasy." Which, y'know, works for Snape.
I figure Sirius didn't want Snape dead either, but Sirius has always been a little off (since the Blacks keep it all in the family, if you know what I mean xD).
...And that part about "political correctness" being treating muggleborns well? Wow. Just wow. I now understand how they can dismiss Snape calling Lily a mudblood. That's just...special.
Shine on you crazy diamonds, indeed.
-Simplefaith | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| I consider it a rivalry rather than bullying
I consider it mutual bullying :P. I think that, just as James constantly picked on Snape, Snape could have easily taken revenge when Lily wasn't around. I mean, he knew dark magic after all.
...And that part about "political correctness" being treating muggleborns well? Wow. Just wow.
And then they cry about how they are the true victims on this xD. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| Speaking of the Marauders.
http://terri-testing.livejournal.com/23909.html?thread=243301#t243301
There's a whole crapload of James-bashing, again, and it boils down to Sevvie is always right because how dare James flip Snape upside down AFTER saving him from a werewolf, and James is just a giant fucktard.
Look, people who grow up and get mature don't do it all at once. It happens in bits and pieces over time, and that's just how it is. These folks seem to positively pant for miracles to happen everywhere they go. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| I... she... this..... wut? XD
So now it's the OTHERS who have issues, not her... Interesting... I bet any of us, without being psychologists, can spot everything that is wrong with this marionros person.
Who needs therapy, eh? Fandom is just as good and much cheaper. lol!
I thought fandom was supposed to drive you nuts instead of making you feel good? Oooh, of course, that only works for normal people. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| I am slightly offended at her pirating of Swythyv's essay. :D As I've said before, I'm quite fond of Swythyv's analyses, which usually end up saying that JKR has massively pulled the wool over our eyes and isn't that great? Whereas Terri Testing seems to always be saying that JKR has tricked us because she can't face up to her own moral center or whatever.
Swythyv: Hermione made it clear that she was repeating hearsay on the train, even though she had just listed all her advance-reading modern history books. And we were only told that it took a true Gryffindor to pull the sword out of Godric's Hat, not merely to use it. Keeping this sort of secret may be why JKR reserved the encyclopedia project to herself.
Terri: And, by the way, why did Granger report it as HEARSAY that Dumbledore is Gryffindor, when none of his actions or failings reflect that house?
Do you see? DO YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE?
Ahem. Back to Marionros.
You raise your kids like you've been raised yourself, complete with all the history and knowledge of your culture, and suddenly the government is telling you that you can't do that anymore because when the kids go to Hogwarts they will meet and mingle with the new crop of Muggleborns, and it really won't do to have one group of students already knowing half the curriculem whilst the other group can't even cast a 'wingardium leviosa'.
I can so see this happening. The politicians (all Modernists a la Dumbledore, no doubt) alienating the old families even more by forbidding them to raise their children in the old traditions, casting shadows on those old customs by renaming them 'dark magic', all for the common good, the 'bloodtraitor' families going along with it because they, like all 'progressives' don't mind throwing out old traditions as long as they believe the new way is going to be an improvement of the old and the muggleborn clueless about why the old 'purebloods' hate them so much.
I can actually see this as faintly plausible in canon (FAINTLY, because there's no evidence at all, and it's more that I could FAINTLY buy it in a fic if the author were very good at worldbuilding) but there's no denying that this sounds like the people who complain that children are taught about some of the very bad things in America's history. And it's just stupid. Yes, the pureblood families hate Muggleborns mainly because they can't have their children tutored in magic before they go to school. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| (Anonymous) | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2009-10-07 04:04 pm (UTC) |
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| Lawdy, did you know Harry ws being a selfish berk in that chapter of DH when he went off to die? He didn't want to protect anyone. It was all aboiut HIM, HIM, HIM.
http://terri-testing.livejournal.com/23909.html?thread=251749#t251749 | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
lakme | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2009-10-08 04:09 am (UTC) |
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| AGHHHHHHHHHHHH
*is a clinical psychology student whose area of interest includes personality pathology* | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
lakme | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2009-10-08 04:15 am (UTC) |
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| Okay, now that my initial reaction of horror is gone, time to strike these "thoughts" down.
But it's too tl;dr for one comment. Let me write it up for my journal and I'll link when I'm done. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| I don't understand why people need to turn Snape into a poor tortured victim. Yes, his life sucked, but most of it was because of the choices he made. Snape is not a woobie, he is a jerk, that's what makes him fun.
But we are talking about an obvious case of living through a character, so I shouldn't be surprised. :/ | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
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