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The HMS STFU - Wank on, Harmoanians!
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| | Subject: | Wank on, Harmoanians! | | Time: | 06:49 pm |
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| PSA: I grabbed this off the wank report. Have inserted my own commentary throughout.
So apparently, over on Portkey, a thread has been created: Most Disappointing Scene in Book 7, What scene was the hardest for you to read?
Well, heaven forbid it be about Hedwig dying (I was shocked, TBH) or Harry finding out he had to die. Oh no, it has to be about the shipping!
pink.drea: 'Hermione and Harry's lack of communication and "need" of Ron'
That was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of character. I mean Ron and Hermione only started being friends because of Harry and throughout the series there were many times were Harry & Hermione worked perfectly fine together without Ron.
That was as forced as Harry/Ginny in HBP
I guess a guy and a girl can't be just friends at all. Not at all. As ![[info]](http://www.journalfen.net/img/userinfo.gif) angakkuq has pointed out in some previous meta, Ron has been included by JK Rowling as the heart of a trio. Just as a three-legged stool stands very poorly on just two legs, so too have Harry, Ron and Hermione found that they don't get along as well without all three of them to complement each other.
Midnghtr72: Don't you just love the fact, that JKR had to completely destroy Harry and Hermione's friendship just to make OBHWF sail? Honestly its completely awful.
I detect large quantities of butthurt in this sector, Captain.
pink.drea: Totally, I mean if OBHWF was her intention from the beginning she should have had at least written the story accordingly to it. But, I guess Harry and Hermione's love and strengh as characters went beyond her imagination, which is weird since she created the story but still, it's the only way it makes sense (at least to me).
Well, aren't you just the leet literary critic there, pinky. You have a lot of nerve assuming you know more than JK Rowling does about her desired plot structure and evolution of the characters.
scout: Everything from the first chapter to the crapilogue that had the idiot, the bicycle, or molly in it.
All that was disappointing to me.
Stay classy, Harmoanians. You just keep on thinking it's perfectly fine to cast aspersions on a female like that.
In fact, here's a good jumping-off point for some meta, because what drives me nuts is how these people are adopting societal leftovers regarding how women can't feel free to date several people in succession and not be termed loose or easy.
So the question is: Why do Harmoanians bring these attitudes to fiction? Why is Hermione the only "strong woman" in the series who is permitted equality with males?
We can answer the first question by saying that there is an analogy to how Snapefen have been essentially backed into the untenable and unpalatable (at least to any sensible person, but considering terri_testing and marionros, well - who knows what sensible is for them?) corner of having to rationalize not just Snape's appalling behavior to Harry, Neville and others, but the Dursleys' appalling behavior towards Harry.
Harmoanians must find any way, no matter how unsavory, to ensure that Ginny's status vis-a-vis Harry is demeaned and degraded. So Ginny can't be a feisty, independent woman whose love of Quidditch and her shared experience of possession by Voldemort provides a common ground between Harry and her. She must be a horrid woman of 'loose morals' and unprincipled behavior who stops at nothing to 'ensnare' Harry in her clutches.
Enter the love potion and 'bicycle' tropes, and answering the second question in terms of whose love for whom is allowed to happen. Only Hermione is allowed to be an equal to Harry, because she's so very smart and intelligent, and Ginny must, perforce, not be smart, intelligent or in any way comparable to Hermione.
This paves the way for Harry to 'come to his senses'. As the Harmoanians see it, only the love between Harry and Hermione is pure and noble enough to qualify for their interpretation of why Dumbledore has repeatedly banged on about love being one of the most important aspects of magic not-commonly-understood in the series, since it enters into the prophecy spoken by Trelawney all those years ago.
[ Aside: Dumbledore may not understand the exact nature of why Lily's sacrifice protected Harry in that particular situation, but he does understand its implications; the willingness of someone to put all they are on the line against an enemy for the protection of someone else they love very much can create profound results. Enter his reluctant use of the Dursleys as the continuation of the protective mechanism Lily's death wrought. ]
But as the Deathly Hallows book has shown, Harry's own protective love is not entirely of the romantic kind, which shoots to pieces the Harmoanian premise. It is different; it is his love of his friends and for Hogwarts (which represented the only true home he'd ever known) that protects them even beyond his death and return. Yes, he thought of Ginny too, but that thought was not to the exclusion of all the other people he knew.
So to answer the Harmoanians' interpretation, romantic love alone is not enough. It is too narrowly focussed to suit the requirement of protection. After all, consider the kind of love that repelled Voldemort's possession of Harry: it was his love for Sirius (as well as, in hindsight of DH, his acceptance of death), clearly a non-romantic one, that helped expel Voldemort from his mind. The movie of OotP made this even more explicit: Harry specifically underlines that Voldemort has cut himself off from all the common bonds of humanity and this weakens him in a way he will never understand.
It is also clear that Harmoanians, in the pursuit of 'pure love' have completely discarded all these overarching themes of love in an increasingly shrill pursuit of validation of their Only True Ship, even to the point of retreating into ever more convoluted attempts to explain why Daniel Radcliffe and Emma Watson validate Harry/Hermione.
In the end the Harmoanians remind me of those ancient Greeks who insisted mathematical theory alone was enough to interpret the world, because it was the purest representation of nature while actually going out and seeing what really goes on in nature is messy and profane.
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Credit for various ideas and concepts in this meta is hereby given to all STFU-ians who have elucidated them in prior discussions over Harmoanian wank. I have added my own, but as apocryphally reported to have been said by Isaac Newton or Albert Einstein, "If I see far, it is because I stand on the shoulders of giants". | comments: Poke a delusional shipper     |
| | You know what I don't get? Why do they always say that Ron and Hermione would never have been friends unless it was for Harry? It's not like Harry and Hermione were hanging out enjoying each other's company prior to the troll incident. The two of them probably never would have been friends if it hadn't been for that. Ron and Harry were friends first, and Hermione joined them later. For all the times that Harry and Hermione worked together just fine without Ron, I'm sure there's just as many times that Harry and Ron worked together without Hermione. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| | I maintain that on the Harmonians' part it's overidentification with Hermione that drives their mindset, not all this claptrap about "true love" and "chemistry." | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| For all the times that Harry and Hermione worked together just fine without Ron, I'm sure there's just as many times that Harry and Ron worked together without Hermione.
Compare: PoA with GoF. In the former, Harry and Ron give Hermione the cold shoulder, and Harry doesn't seem to miss Hermione that much. In the latter, Harry and Ron have a falling out, and Harry quite often thinks that it's not as much fun just having Hermione as a friend and how he misses Ron's humor and friendship.
And these are before JKR allegedly ruined the series, so Harmonians can't just toss it out like they do everything they don't like post-OotP. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| They also always completely ignore the fact that Hermione spends more time alone with Ron than she does with Harry - and that they apparently get along just fine during those times. (I'm referring to the times she spends at the BUrrow or Grimmauld Place before Harry gets there, and the times when they have been discussing Harry and planning together how to deal with him. Not just the overused Hogsmeade trip in thrid year.)
I remember that once there was a thread on Portkey about whether Hermione and Ron were really friends (sorry can't go back and find - banned) and the Harmonians, to a person, completely discounted that spending time alone meant that Ron and Hermione were friends, let alone that they could hang out and get along. Some went so far as to deny that Hermione was ever alone with Ron (clear canon evidence notwithstanding) or to find various ways to shorten the time she was with him. (i.e. in OotP when it seems clear that Hermione has been at Grimmauld Place with Ron for some time, there was a Harmonian insistence that she was really only there for a day or two and Harry had actually been writing to them at seperate places.) Others insisted that the time alone did not count because they must have been talking about Harry the whole time. Yeah.
Denial, thy name is Harmonian. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| (Anonymous) | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2009-10-16 04:22 pm (UTC) |
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| I just remembered something.
Ron was the one who defeated the Troll.
Sure, it was a team effort... but it was Ron casting Wingardium Leviosa that knocked it out. Harry only really managed to distract it, while Ron cast the spell to knock it out.
Why don't people give more notice to that? | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| So what they're saying is, they thought a relationship was trivialized to make way for shipping?
...isn't that what they do to Ron and the importance of the trio dynamic all the time? xD
And wasn't it in Goblet of Fire where Harry was all "Hermione's nice and everything, but all she does is study. I miss Ron." Hell, wasn't Ron the thing Harry would miss the most? Not to trivialize Hermione, but Harry and Ron had a much closer relationship.
...which makes me wonder, why aren't there a bunch of Harry/Ron shippers? I mean, I know they exist (rule 34 FTW), but they don't seem to be large in numbers. Or maybe they're just not as loud as Harmonians? | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| I also don't understand the assertion Harry and Hermione's friendship was destroyed in order to make way for OBHWF. I thought HBP was the first time Harry actually made the effor to be as good a friend to Hermione as he is to Ron--he did not automatically take Ron's side like he had in the past. He actually noticed that she was emotionally distraught for one thing and tried to offer her comfort.
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bigi | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2009-10-14 10:47 am (UTC) |
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| | There are tons of Harry/Ron shippers - but a lot of them are also R/Hr or H/Hr shippers as well and may get lumped in those categories. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| . . . why aren't there a bunch of Harry/Ron shippers
You don't have to ship it to recognize that Harry/Ron is THE most important two-way friendship in the books. Period. End of sentence. Full freakin' stop.
RON WAS THE THING THAT HARRY WOULD MISS THE MOST.
I want that tattooed on Harmonian foreheads, backwards, so that they read it every time they look into a mirror. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| *raises hand* me me me! I'm a Harry/Ron shipper!!
Sometimes their dynamic seemed to be one of two people in love xD. Or maybe that's just me fangirling over them xD. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| there are loads of Harry/Ron shippers - we are happy bunnies who know our boys love each other, and we don't wank, except in the nicest possible way.
and we certainly don't write huge essays, 'proving' anything - we just say, "Harry and Ron obviously love each other - let's just tweak that the tiniest bit..." | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| ... Slytherins walking out? Unforgivables used repeatedly by good guys? Did I imagine these things?
(I know JKR has confirmed that the Slytherins are not irredeemable and she never intended for them to come across as being portrayed as such, but not even to be a choice in the poll? C'mon, at least give the lady credit for the flaws in her writing that actually exist.) | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| | The part that drives me effing nuts is when they outright make shit up about Hermione using Unforgivable Curses. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| Can't they talk about Ginny without using the words "bicycle" or "slut"?
Whoever came up with that should be sentenced to a lifetime of virginity. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| (Anonymous) | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2009-10-14 10:42 am (UTC) |
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| A lifetime of virginity: dire indeed! Wonder how pristine and perfect such people are in their own lives, if they think a teenage girl who's had a couple of boyfriends qualifies as a slut?
Never mind the HBP film (unless we're referring to people who only watch the films), what about DH, and Harry's declaration of 'I love her like a sister'?
Suppose they claim that's a lie? He just said that to avoid hurting Ron, or something? Ugh! And just... wow.
evanesco75 | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | I think they've already been serving that sentence and there's no sign of the governor calling to commute it... ;) | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| I admit I've used "slut" on her before xD, but "bicycle" is just too much... idk, it just sounds more vulgar and offensive, somehow.
Also, Jesus Christ, she's not REAL, she won't come out of the pages to TORTURE them again. This people need to chill. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| Don't you just love the fact, that JKR had to completely destroy Harry and Hermione's friendship just to make OBHWF sail? Honestly its completely awful.
Harry and Hermione's friendship was stronger, more amazing, and more beautiful in DH than in any of the other books. Oddly enough it's in DH that the H/Hr friendship became EVERYTHING that the Harmonians had been claiming for years, yet they can't see it because they didn't snog shag hump like rabbits and create dozens of horrible-haired babies. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| In a sick and twisted way it's nice to know that their inability to read for context and content is not limited to questions of romance.
Why did we never find out why Harry having Lily's eyes was important?
WE. DID. THE EYES WERE WHAT KEPT SNAPE WILLING TO PROTECT HARRY AS HIS MOTHER'S SON, DESPITE HIS (Snape's) HATRED OF HARRY'S FATHER.
DUH
But since it was a scene that didn't involve Hermione you must have skipped over it. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| pink.drea: Totally, I mean if OBHWF was her intention from the beginning she should have had at least written the story accordingly to it.
Oh, God forbid that Hermione, Harry, Ron and Ginny could have other love interests prior to OBHWF!
Frankly, it would have been boring as hell if JKR just made H/G and R/Hr hook up since second year or so.
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| So the question is: Why do Harmoanians bring these attitudes to fiction? Why is Hermione the only "strong woman" in the series who is permitted equality with males?
Because Hermione is the character they identify with.
Ginny, however, is the evil cheerleader. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
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The HMS STFU - Wank on, Harmoanians!
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