The HMS STFU - Social Experiment!
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October 25th, 2009
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| because it is fun to argue when you Hermione, is that you? | ||||||
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| I mean, come on, not one Slytherin joins the fight at the end? How many times are people going to ask this question? I don't regret the day I too fandomsecrets off of my f-list. Although secret 165 is so true! ;_; | ||||||
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| I went to see what #165 was and oh God Leaves from the Vine. So very, very true. ;_; | ||||||
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| Ah, see, Harry's line in the Deathly Hallows about Hermione being more like a sister read more like a slap in the face to me, and I don't even really ship Harry/Hermione. Please tell me I'm not the only person who saw the locket Horcrux scene and the events immediately preceding it as being more about Ron than Harry or Hermmione or H/Hr. Hermione wasn't even there! Ron was literally facing his demons--not good enough for Hermione, the afterthought Weasley, guilt over leaving Harry--and defeating them. Harry's there to reassure Ron that some of his fears--Hermione not caring about Ron, Harry and Hermione's feelings for each other--have no basis in reality. Harry can't say anything about Ron's insecurities as a Weasley because he doesn't know why the Weasley parents decided to have seven kids. Maybe they did want a girl and weren't going to stop until they got one. Maybe Arthur/Molly have a lot of sex and are careless about birth control. But Harry can tell Ron the truths he knows and what Harry knows is that Hermione's been crying her eyes out ever since Ron left and Harry does not love Hermione in a romantic fashion. It makes sense to me that Harry would say this to at this moment Ron because this scene is about Ron and his fears/insecurities. It's not about Harry or Hermione, or H/Hr or even R/Hr. IT'S ABOUT RON! | ||||||
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| Ron's not allowed to have anything about him...he's just the sidekick! No, but I totally agree. Ron's my favorite character, and that's my favorite scene in the series because it's ALL ABOUT RON. I never thought it as anything else until I saw the wank stem from it about how "hawt!" that evil kiss, how "Harry sees her as a sister? I guess incest is best!" or "I guess I'm a death eater too if Voldemort supports H/Hr!" Hello! The scene is about RON! Bah.... | ||||||
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| But Harry can tell Ron the truths he knows and what Harry knows is that Hermione's been crying her eyes out ever since Ron left and Harry does not love Hermione in a romantic fashion. It makes sense to me that Harry would say this to at this moment Ron because this scene is about Ron and his fears/insecurities. It's not about Harry or Hermione, or H/Hr or even R/Hr. IT'S ABOUT RON! Yes. But (or 'and') Harry wouldn't have even mentioned how he felt about Hermione if there wasn't a big-ass evil naked image of Hermione and him embracing and kissing. I am agreeing with you but one of Ron's insecurities was, at this moment (an perhaps longer?) whether Hermione would ultimately choose him and like you said, was he even good enough for her. Gah, I'm probably not making much sense but I do think Harry had to literally state the obvious in clear cut words - he did NOT love Hermione ~that~ way, never did - as one of the ways to try to get through to Ron in that moment. (And I do think Jo had to say it in black and white for those fans who could not seem to read what was obviously between the lines. I don't think that makes her a bitch but what do I know? I'm a sheep.) | ||||||
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| All very good points. That is what I loved about that scene, because it was the first time Harry (and we) got a peak into the fears and insecurities that Ron has. Oh, we had hints all along but given that we are almost always in Harry's POV we could only get hints. Besides, I don't think Harry realized how deep Ron's insecurities ran. So that scene was about showing Harry and us. That said, I do think in part JKR wanted to make it clear - in no uncertain terms that Harry was not in love with Hermione - and she used this scene to do that. | ||||||
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Their crazy-ass fans, that's what. Tenacious little fuckers who refuse to take no for an answer despite the complete and utter lack of canon to back up their ship, interviews saying they were wrong, and Harry out and out saying she was like a sister and it had always been that way. The proper response to this is not 'blow a gasket and call JKR an idiot who doesn't know jack', it's 'accept it and move on'. Even if you want to plug your fingers in your ears and read fanfic, don't go on about how the background was all laid out in the story and then the tables were turned at the last minute. I lol'ed and then muttered "so true". :) As for the ~social experiment~? Yeah, so classy thar. What is it with the Web in particular that seems to invite purposeful obfuscation of one's objectives and trolling the wank? The way I see it the poster of that "secret" was purposely trolling the wank, or didn't realize what a shitstorm s/h/it was creating and retreated into the "social experiment" excuse as a way to try and escape the obvious conclusion that s/h/it is just a dumbass. *facepalms, muttering about the Web in general* | ||||||
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| >What irritates me is that if the tables were turned, the OBHWF shippers would have had a small number gone insane if their ships weren't canon or JKR blasted them. Ooh, ooh, I love this game! "If wishes were horses, beggars would ride!" "If marijuana was legalized, people who smoked it wouldn't be breaking the law!" Man, this is fun. >especially to anyone who's a fan of her "bad boys" because they're obviously irredeemable, there's no shades of gray in this world, and they are evil, evil, evil. Bad boys like those two Gryffindors who thumbed their nose at their school before they dropped out in a blaze of glory? Fred? George? Remember them? >I mean, come on, not one Slytherin joins the fight at the end? I'm not sure whether to go with "poorly informed" or "in denial". | ||||||
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| >What irritates me is that if the tables were turned, the OBHWF shippers would have had a small number gone insane if their ships weren't canon or JKR blasted them. They would have. And I for one would have been right here snickering at their failure to STFU. | ||||||
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| I mean, come on, not one Slytherin joins the fight at the end? Yet another thing to add to the list of things that JKR should have made blazingly obvious since her readers wank forever if they have to read for context. I guess Harry should have spent the entire epilogue beating his chest over how wrong he had been about Slytherin all along and then telling Albus, in glorious detail, about all the wonderful things Slytherins had done throughout the centuries. Clearly, naming his son after Snape and telling him that he will not care if he gets sorted in Slytherin is just not enough to make up for years and years of Gryffindor persecution. This fandom sure has a lot of dickweeds. | ||||||
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| You know, I feel really bad for calm H/Hr shippers. Being put together with Harmonians must suck so badly. What irritates me is that if the tables were turned, the OBHWF shippers would have had a small number gone insane if their ships weren't canon or JKR blasted them. Yeah, JKR choosing one ship over another totally means she personally hates you. Man, do these people read what they write? I just didn't like the fact that JKR's such a bitch to her fans, especially to anyone who's a fan of her "bad boys" because they're obviously irredeemable, there's no shades of gray in this world, and they are evil, evil, evil. Dude, JKR is awesome to her fans from what I've seen. Honestly, if I had such an insane, constantly wanky fandom, I'd be so such more of a bitch. And isn't it just the opposite? Like How Draco and his family was actually written as sympathetic in the last two books? Or how Snape is revealed to be capable of love (creepy, awkward love, but love nonetheless)? Or how Slughorn comes back to fight? People seem to be blaming JKR for the fact that they can't read. Ah, "social experiment." Is that the politically correct term for trolling? ;) | ||||||
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| I particulary enjoyed la_petite_singe comments and how Harmonians went batshit after her xD. But I can't believe how they're still convinced they're just as normal as any other shipper. "Oh we thought our ship was going to be canon, just like any of you". No, it wasn't the same. There was never any evidence pointing to H/Hr, and Harmonians just started to make stuff up to "prove" they were right (just like they do now, really) and deluded themselves so much that when JKR threw cold water at them they went butthurt forever and ever. R/Hr had evidence, from book 1 if you read carefully, even H/G had a possibility when you have in mind Ginny's feelings for Harry, but H/Hr, seriously?! When was there any hint? I think this person expressed my exact feelings: Wishful thinking is one thing, but the absolute insistence that it is going to happen (FOR REALZ U GUISE!) and then the complete and utter disrespect and anger and generally deplorable behavior when the author/producers/actors come out against it is Class A obnoxious. That is exactly the difference between Harmonians and other fanon shippers. No other side of the fandom (H/D, H/L, Draco/Hermione, etc) seemed so delusional about its favorite pairing. They wished certain things to happen in the books, but they didn't claim them to be canon when it clearly wasn't. I just didn't like the fact that JKR's such a bitch to her fans, especially to anyone who's a fan of her "bad boys" because they're obviously irredeemable, there's no shades of gray in this world, and they are evil, evil, evil. *cough*Snape*cough*. Snape doesn't have any shades of grey at all. And Draco! Draco is sooo one-dimensional, always strong on the outside and on the inside. Never shed a tear. [/sarcasm] And wow, why do you think JKR (or anyone, for that matter) would have any respect for people who fangirl over characters like Voldemort, the Malfoys, Bellatrix and other gits? If someone told me they think Voldemort is a Just Misunderstood cutie I'd think that person has serious issues. It's why I got rid of all of my books. I was disgusted with the way she treats her fans. You're not her "fans". You're delusional little ingrates that throw tantrums whenever things don't go your particular way. You're like Veruca from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. "Daddy I want a squirrel!!" -->that's what you are, Snapefen & Harmonians. I just gave up on the series because I didn't like the shady morality. It's all steeped in her Calvinism that some people are just born good, and that no matter what shit they do, they can get away with it. She kept banging on about unity all throughout the books, only to have the school fractured between the Slytherins vs. everyone else. Not everyone in Slytherin is inherently evil, as Ron states in the first book, it just isn't possible, especially since only a small portion of the Slytherins have parents who are Death Eaters or who even support the movement. I mean, come on, not one Slytherin joins the fight at the end? If that's how you interpreted the HP books, maybe the problem is your lack of morals, not JKR's. | ||||||
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| Actually, I think that if the tables were turned - i.e. if in HBP we had suddenly discovered that Harry and Hermione loved each other (romantically) - a lot of R/H and H/G shippers would have been pretty angry; because she, like, you know, said that wasn't going to happen. ('They have a platonic relationship'. 'Do you really think they're suited?' 'There is something going on [between Ron and Hermione] but Ron doesn't realise it yet - typical boy.' etc.) Of course, she had the right to change her mind. And of course, if she had done that it wouldn't have been meant personally - the fans just don't loom as large in her vision as they tend to think. Still, I think people would have been somewhat peeved. What's odd is people feeling betrayed when she does what she has always said she was doing. | ||||||
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| If JKR had written H/Hr, the H/G and R/Hr shippers would have been shipping H/Hr from the begining. Since they're the ones who could actually read clues correctly. And of course even if JKR had written H/Hr, there's no way she would have written Harmony. It's just too nasty. | ||||||
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| No, there are no shades of gray at all. Why, Slughorn doesn't exist and Zacharias Smith, being a Huflepuff as he is, stayed back to fight. | ||||||
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| It's ironic that the OP's smug little "social experiment" is exactly the sort of thing that makes people hate Harmonians and makes people start pre-emptively wanking whenever H/Hr is mentioned. It's not really H/Hr that people hate, it's Harmonians. Something else they fail to understand. People don't dislike their ship, people dislike their behavior. | ||||||
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![[info]](http://www.journalfen.net/img/userinfo.gif){kind=small} littleshebear used this icon and I loved it so much I ganked it. IT IS SO PERFECT AND FUNNY AS HELL XD | ||||||
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| Does anyone else remember JKR's story about going into a chatroom between Books 3 and 4 -- anonymously -- and suggesting that R/Hr and H/G were going to happen, and being essentially hounded from the chatroom? In her shoes, I couldn't resist the urge to tweak noses in the following books. | ||||||
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| OT but related: Who was it that wished JKR had died in childbirth here? The link in that comment is defunct and the comment itself does not say. I don't know why but I'm thinking lockedinaroom. | ||||||
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| How does "haloandthorns" say there are no "shades of gray" in one breath and then that the good guys exhibit a "shady morality" in the next breath? I've seen other Slytherfen, DE apologists, and Snapefen say similar things. That it's all black and white. That "bad" characters are all bad and evil to the core and "good" characters are all good and can do no wrong. Then they go on to list all the things the "good guys" do that are not so good. Do they not see how they are contradicting themselves? OR, do they think that no one else noticed that the "white hats" were sometimes a bit scuffed? Do they think that the rest of us can not pick up on the bad behavior of the good guys? Or that we miss the things that make the "bad guys" sympathetic? Or maybe it's that they think that JKR and "canon thumpers" don't recognize bad behavior when it is done by the series' protagonists - 'cause we're just that stupid and they are just that smart? I just don't see how they claim there are no "shades of gray" but then carry on (endlessly) about the very things that blur the lines between black and white. Maybe they were looking for a particular shade of gray? | ||||||||
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| "Tenacious little fuckers who refuse to take no for an answer despite the complete and utter lack of canon to back up their ship, interviews saying they were wrong, and Harry out and out saying she was like a sister and it had always been that way. " Holy crap, y'know what? I just realized something. Harmonians are the fandom equivalent of those creepsters who can't accept the fact that their girl/boy of choice isn't interested, so they're like, "I won't give up without a fight, my sweet! I'll fight for you! :D" and you're like, "Um, no thanks" and they're like, "Oh my darling, I so admire the way you make me strive to earn your love and prove myself worthy! I see through your coy games. When you say 'GTFO' what you really mean is 'try harder'!" ...Guys, Harmonians are Pepé Le Pew. :O | ||||||
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| I love how Harmonians believe theirs was the only "Pairing that Was not Canon" that was trolled for what the crazies in their fandom did. | ||||||
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| I'm a bit surprised sistermagpie claims she's never seen any crazy Harmonian shippers; she's written quite a few essays on how mean and horrible Ginny is and how awful H/G is if I remember correctly. And then a lot of the more well-known Harmoanians spread it around and I believe for one, that is now locked, there were quite a few wanky classic Harmoanian comments. But I confess, I do feel sad for the sane H/Hr fans. They not only have to deal with being lumped with these crazies but then also get a lot of vicious R/Hr fans calling them names and being just as immature. Also, I never knew about fandomsecrets and now I think, I have a new site to check LOL. stumps101 | ||||||
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| I know what you're thinking You wonder why I chose "Harmony" Out of all the ships in the world It's just a first impression, what's good a first impression? If you knew "Harmony" like I do It would change your point of view If you could see "Harmony" through my eyes You wouldn't wonder at all If you could see Harmony through my eyes I guarantee you would fall like I did When I wank at Portkey I hear fandom moan But if they could sae Harmony through my eyes Maybe they'd leave harmonians alone How can I speak of Harry and Hermione's virtues? I wouldn't know where to begin They're clever,they're perfect,they're living saints When they're far away from those evil Weasleys. Yet when OBHWFers are reading a harmonian fanfic They sneer when Hermione is holding Harry's "wand" But if they could see Harmony through my eyes Maybe they'd all understand Oh I understand your objection I grant you the problem's not small But if you could see Harmony through my eyes It wouldn't look like incest at all Lisa | ||||||||
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The HMS STFU - Social Experiment!
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