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| | Bloody hell. Did a wolf at the zoo look at duj wrong, when duj was a kid or something? | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| Since Fenrir's bite in HBP had a partially-transformative effect on Bill, I've tended to suppose that the werewolf mind is the core and the human part a thin veneer. But this is possible, too. ... It's an interesting thought, but it would suggest that were-Lupin sees all humans as potential rival-wolves rather than as prey. (Or could the two co-exist?) It leads to the question of why weres sometimes kill - but according to Ron, more often don't.
(I can't say I trust Ron's opinion on this. Not only is he in no way an expert, and Fenrir's preference for Turning victims may have skewed the statistics, but it seems incompatible with Lupin's description of biting and scratching at himself as a teen-were because he couldn't reach humans to bite and scratch. Would a were usually stop at one bite, and if so, why didn't Lupin stop biting himself?
I just don't understand what leads someone to go from that textual support to this conclusion - I would get it if she were writing a longfic involving werewolves, or something, and thought it seemed plausible and would add tension, but to just say, "I'm pretty sure this is canon even though there's also bits that contradict it," is just very strange to me.
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| Maybe they are a fanfic author?
Think about it: A fanfic author almost always will need to:
* Expand on things that canon doesn't fully explain.
* Flesh out minor characters
* Make up shit, emphasis on "make up"
Even more relevantly, a bad fanfic author will:
* Try to find excuses to bash characters they dislike
* Try to minimize flaws in the characters they do like
* Make up shit, emphasis on "shit".
This whole thing is applying bad fanfic author logic, and claiming it's canon. Didn't a lot of the BNF Harmonians do that with their stories? | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | With this and an apparent Snapefen showing up on one of my favorite message boards, I'm thinking I should resign from the human race. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| | For those who are wondering, this is the post. I try to inject sanity (I'm Sister Ray). Also, I got a lot of my points from here. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| | Are you frelling kidding me? Holy crap, I thought that wank had petered out by now. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| I am still, for some reason, most annoyed by their referring to Snape as "Severus" constantly. He is not your friend, your boyfriend, or your emasculated big-eyed woobie.
I get a fuzzy, warm feeling when I imagine what Snape would do to these people. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| | IAWYC. It's like they purposely want to be... near him or something. First-name usage tends to promote this, but it also, apparently, promotes delusional-fen thinking. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| I think that's their way of separating their beloved woobie, Severus from actual canon. They don't like canon Snape so they don't acknowledge he exists. Severus is whoever/whatever they want him to be.
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| I can understand why it leaves a bad taste in your mouth though, after seeing so many rabid Snapefen do it.
For me personally, when I'm not on Snapedom, I usually only refer to young or school-age Snape as Severus (same with Remus for Lupin). On Snapedom, I go back and forth depending on who I'm replying to or sometimes just a whim ('cause it doesn't really matter to me which one I use, LOL). Most people seem to call James and Sirius by their first names, instead of Potter and Black, and I exclusively do that, so I figure why not do the same with Severus Snape and Remus Lupin. But that's just me, LOL. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| A bit off-topic but anyone know if a fanfic writer named Snapegirlkmf is a Snapewife?
I'm reading one of her fics on Potions & Snitches and she seems to be bordering on Snape-is-awesome-and-can-do-no-wrong/Snapewives (there was even a re-write of Snape's Worst Memory in his favor) | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| The posts are just total WTF. Cho is being demeaned for her grief? (I always thought one of the things that doomed a relationship between Harry and her was their differing responses to Cedric's death: Harry had to not talk about it and Cho had to talk about it any time she could.)
A fic was linked, supposedly about the boggarts the Slytherins would have seen, here. I'm suspecting it's a case of "poor abused woobie slytherins" but don't want to actually read it. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| A fic was linked, supposedly about the boggarts the Slytherins would have seen, here. I'm suspecting it's a case of "poor abused woobie slytherins" but don't want to actually read it.
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It's not bad, not great. A bit Slytherfen-ish but not the worst I've seen. Pansy's boggart is pretty good and Draco's wasn't evil!abusive!Lucius so that's something. (Though it was another character who got the abusive daddy.)
I'm surprised no one ever thinks to make Draco's boggart a werewolf. It seems obvious from the way he acts in a few scenes in the series. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| (Anonymous) | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2010-03-12 02:14 am (UTC) |
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| | I'd say you're safe to give it a look. It's got some interesting Boggarts, just in general, even if it's woobification of the Slytherins. It's cute and harmless enough, and a quick enough read; needed a second glance for grammar, and I feel that Lupin's somewhat OOC, but eh. It won't burn your eyes out. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
![[info]](http://www.journalfen.net/img/userinfo.gif) moljn | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2010-03-12 05:39 am (UTC) |
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| | Yeah, the fic isn't bad, but the comment linking it, with its implication that Slytherins have "better", more legitimate fears than Gryffindors and that the fic is somehow proof of that? Sets my teeth on edge. | | (Reply to this) (Parent) (Thread) |
| Typing this up stopped me from banging my head on my desk - too much. I didn't post it there - seems rather pointless after reading all that bilge. So I'm posting it here where - hopefully - it will be appreciated. :)
Or you could be logical and look at what is actually shown in the text.
1.) Snape has no valid reason to be anxious and his supposed "pain" is nothing more than a petty schoolboy grudge over an incident where he put himself in danger by being stupid enough to take the advice of someone he knew hated him - and he hated in return. Sirius did not tie Snape up and drag him down to the Whomping Willow kicking and screaming. Sirius told him how to stop the tree from moving and Snape made the choice to go down there of his own free will so they are both responsible for what happened that night. Lupin was not responsible for what Sirius did or the fact that Snape was incapable of accepting his own culpability.
2.)The task given to Snape was to make the potion for Lupin and deliver it to him - not hover over him and watch him drink it personally. The potion did not have to be taken at any specific time of the day - the only specification was that he had to take it in the week preceding the full moon.
3.)Lupin did not owe anything to Snape beyond a polite thank you for making the potion and bringing it to him - which he did. At that point, Snape should have left.
4.)Lupin has a right to privacy and it was his choice as to whether or not he would tell anyone that he was a werewolf and who he would tell. That was his business - not Snape's. It was not Snape's place to dictate to Lupin how to handle things. It was Lupin's responsibility to take the necessary precautions - which he did. Forgetting to take the potion on one occasion where there were extenuating circumstances does not negate the fact that he understood that precautions were necessary and took those precautions every other time. Even as a student with his friends, they took precautions - they did not decide to leave the shack and explore until after they had realized that James and Sirius had become animals large enough to prevent Lupin from hurting anyone and that Lupin was less dangerous when they were around him in their animal forms - "my body still became wolfish, but my mind less so".
5.)Tying into Lupin's right to privacy - Dumbledore had given specific instruction to those who knew that Lupin was a werewolf not to tell anyone else - including Snape. Snape continually tries to indirectly violate Lupin's privacy by attempting to set up situations where others will figure it out - presenting his "theory" as a student, assigning Lupin's DADA class an essay on werewolves, and here by putting Lupin in a very awkward position by delivering the Wolfsbane potion in front of a student - specifically Harry. Snape interrupts a private - and important - conversation between Lupin and Harry and his behavior is intentionally suspicious, which puts Harry on the alert and puts Lupin in the position of having to come up with an explanation for why Snape is delivering that potion to him without making Harry even more suspicious. Snape should have waited until after Harry had left before giving the potion to Lupin.
Harry's presence is the key factor in all of this. Lupin is not ignoring Snape or dismissing the significance of him taking the potion to be safe. He didn't need Snape to tell him to drink the potion - he knew he needed to take it and he did take it. He's trying to undo the damage Snape did by making Harry suspicious with the way he was behaving. He had to play it off and be nonchalant about it or Harry would have been even more suspicious - and that was as much about trying to prevent Harry from thinking Snape was trying to poison Lupin as anything else. Lupin was always trying to convince Harry that he should trust Snape after all. If Snape had waited until Harry was gone as he should have and simply given Lupin the potion and left, it wouldn't have been an issue. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| I'm bored. So.
Two things!
Hmm. The thought occurs: Could were-Fenrir actually be *less* aggressive than were-Lupin?)
Well, Fenrir's werewolf side is certainly less *repressed* than Remus'. Maybe that has a slight moderating effect on the werewolf in wolf form.
Lynn
Huuuuuuh?
Go back to writing your turgid SS/HG teacher-student hookup fics and stop applying fanfic logic to Canon.
BTW, we have a name for colleagues who hook up with students whose supervision they're entrusted with while that student is still enrolled within their classes in an institution of secondary learning: We call them "former colleagues".
That's beautiful. Anyone know who it was? They deserve cake. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
| I at least feel like I can talk to sevvie and enjoy our conversation (diverging views or not, she seems to really try to understand my POV, even if she disagrees with it), whereas duj is pure venom.
I can't throw stones with regard to thinking Snape felt traumatized (as I believe he did, since there seems to be a tweaky vibe along with his bitterness in PoA), but I don't think that's Lupin's responsibility nor do I think Lupin is responsible for soothing Snape's anxiety. I think Lupin would be kind of a butthole if he antagonized Snape on purpose, but I think, at worst, Lupin is merely guilty of not being super sensitive to Snape's feelings. Snape is just not the center of Lupin's universe.
Oh well, back into the breach I go at Snapedome, to wave my moderate Snape fan flag. It's a dirty job, but it can be fun, and someone's gotta do it. LOL | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
mcity | | Link: | (Link) | | Time: | 2010-03-13 05:39 am (UTC) |
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| I like how they keep going on about Severus was "traumatized" by "the werewolf incident". Admittedly, it was scary, but Snape had probably done worse himself with the Death Eaters.
>But he does not respect that whatsoever. If he did, he could not call Snape's feelings a "schoolboy grudge" or Snape "you fool" for having such feelings.
Again; hating Harry just because he looked like James.
>Harry is left with the Dursleys...with no attempt until he was nearly 16 to alter the situation at all.
Again; protection from Lily's sacrifice.
>a few crocodile tears from Dumbles.
Or Dumbledore really was crying about the hell he'd had to let Harry grow up in for his protection, and not telling him what was really going on before Sirius got killed. | | (Reply to this) (Thread) |
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