The HMS STFU - More Snapefen wank with a side of racefail

The HMS STFU - More Snapefen wank with a side of racefail

View: Recent Entries.

View: Archive.

View: Friends.

View: User Info.

View: Website (JF-less sailor? Suggest a topic here!).

[ravenstar84]

Subject:	More Snapefen wank with a side of racefail
Time:	11:05 pm

Snapedom is repeating themselves again.

oryx_lecroyx makes a post about JKR's double standards.

My personal favorite from marionros/smallpotato at the start of the thread:
"'s Excuse me? Who says that teen Severus calls all Muggle-borns but Lily 'Mudblood'?

I read Lily's claim to be 'don't You People (aka 'all Slytherins') call my people 'mudbloods'", because Teen Lily sounds pretty much brainwashed into the Gryffindor mindset at that point, a mindset where she won't listen to a word her supposed 'best friend' says because he's a Slytherin and all Slytherins are untrustworthy, slimy, cunning, racist, blah, blah, blah.

I thought that pretty ironic, since all the Gryffindors we meet are pretty racist towards Slytherins. The moment Harry looks for the fist time at the Slytherin table during the Sorting he concludes, knowing Slytherins only from hearsay, that yes, they *do* look rather ugly and evil. That's how racism *works*. To have preconceived notion about a small group of people outside your incrowd and then to adjust your perceptions until they resemble your prejudices. There was a time when I thought Rowling might be doing something very clever (be it in a clumsy way) by feeding her readers all kinds of prejudices about Slytherins, have her readers cheer characters on as they stomped on Slytherins (since they were going to become evil anyway and as such deserved to be punished pre-emptively) and let her readers get into the racist mindset of dehuminizing a group of people simply for the colour of their school tie. Imagine my utter horror when it turned out that the woman was serious about the whole 'bad blood' thing?

To Rowling it *doesn't matter* wether Teen Severus called other muggleborns 'mudbloods' or not. Teen Severus is a Slytherin and in her tiny mind All Slytherins Are Like That Which Is Why We Are Permitted To Hate Them On Sight And Torture, Maim, Harass And Kill Them With Impunity.

Since my mind doesn't work that way, I will stay with my original interpretation, which is based on the characters of Severus and Lily as they are written in canon (Sev worshipping Lily and Lily wanting to get rid the Slytherin boy who is cramping her style)."

hwyla:
"I also read it to mean Sev (singular) - however, reading it as such implies that Lily remained friends with him even tho' he was using that term - without ever threatening that he must stop. It implies that she only has a problem with it when it refers to her.

I like the idea that she's referring to the Slytherins in general for two reasons. 1) It means Sev may not have been calling other muggleborns Mudbloods and 2) It means Lily wasn't being such a little hypocrit if she hadn't called him on it before.

I think I'll need to find that bit and reread. Anyone have a handy quote?"

marieh_nymma:
"hello, I'm new here, and this my first post- I have an example of a double standard that had been bothering me since DH came out: Apparently we readers are meant to see Severus's racial slur "Mudblood" as unforgivable, but while Ron Weasley calls Remus "Werewolf"(in PoA), which is just as racist as the use of "Mudblood", it's forgivable, understandable, and not a big deal.

I'm sorry, JKR, but...WTF?! Why should it be considered to be "the absolute evil" for Severus to call Lily a Mudblood while we can overlook Ron's own's racist comment? Secondly: WHY should we see Severus's accidental slip as a proof that He Is Without Doubt A Mudblood Hater a.k.a. racist, just based one ONE SINGLE INCIDENT while we aren't meant to consider Ron a Werewolf Hater, thus, a racist based on also one single incident?!"

terri_testing:
It's kind of like the Barty Crouch Jr./Moody impersonation. An insane, committed-to-revenge, torture loving PARRICIDE (one of only two DE's shown in canon to be devoted to the Dark Lord) can successfully impersonate a retired Auror for eight months with no one noticing any lapses? Then the two personalities must be basically alike. Torturing a fourteen-year-old is not unexpected behavior from Alastor Moody. I.E. the very WORST of the DE's is NORMAL for an Auror. (OKay, not normal, but within acceptable parameters--people think Mad-Eye paranoid, not evil.)

Which is an interesting other take on double standards, actually: look at Barty's actions--torturing the student son of an unpunished DE, cheating in the Triwizard, demonstrating the worst dark spells to impressionable kids--from the point of view that Barty's a deranged DE, and it looks rather different from when we thought he was Dumbledore's good if grim friend Moody."

hwyla:
"I suppose one can also compare Harry's Crucio with the one Draco cast at him in the fight in the restroom? Altho' some would say the difference was that Harry used it to 'protect' Minerva (whether she needed it or not) and Draco to attack our hero. We know Ginny approved of Harry's response in SectumSempra. Anyone think she would have approved of the same curse if the DE had used it on Harry to protect himself?"

Seravina:
"I was very disappointed of the moral in the books. All the Slytherins are sooo bad and the Gryffindors are sooo good. And when they do wrong, from calling a teacher "greasy git" to breaking a lot of school rules they get away with it. Or worse, they are rewarded for it. The best example is at the end of PS, when Dumbledore rewards Harry & Co. such a horrendous amount of points that they shoot from the last rank of the House Cup to be the winner. This must bee an affront not only for the Slytherins but for every other house.

But the favoritism did not start with Harry. Remember the Shrieking Shack incident.

As a former teacher JKR should know what behaviour like that can do. At least she describes the consequences correct. Why should the Slytherins stay at the final battle and fight for a school/world that does not accept them?"

I gotta hand it shyfoxling for trying to bring some level of sense to these people.

comments: Poke a delusional shipper

quantumreality

Link:	(Link)
Time:	2010-10-07 05:23 am (UTC)

Since my mind doesn't work that way

Since my mind doesn't work that way

Good work, marionros. I actually sporfled.

I gotta say, marionros sure makes revealing comments sometimes amid the Special Capitalization and the sheer batshit hissing and ranting that passes for intelligent commentary from her. Check this out:

"'s Excuse me? Who says that teen Severus calls all Muggle-borns but Lily 'Mudblood'?"

Who says? Who says?!? WHAT THE FLYING SEAFARING FUCK LADY? Can you not read the book for yourself?

Basic literary analysis is that you can usually take a character's words as true unless specifically contradicted. So Lily stating that "you call everyone of my birth Mudblood" can be taken as generally true even if marionros might nitpick some fantasized incident as false.

If I keep trying to spork what she says I'm going to end up degenerating into a big FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU MARIONROS rant.

I'll tackle the others later.

(Reply to this) (Thread)

quantumreality

Link:	(Link)
Time:	2010-10-07 05:31 am (UTC)

Lily’s smile was widest of all. She pushed her long hair back as she drew closer to him, and her green eyes, so like his, searched his face hungrily, as though she would never be able to look at him enough.

But yeah, the double standard really burns. The only way I can read it as NOT a double standard is also icky: in line with a somewhat consistent view in the books of masculine emotion openly expressed being considered weak (thus damning Severus), women are allowed to be 'hungry' but men must be 'above' that 'weakness.'

Oh fuck you,

00sevvie!

Harry Potter is her orphaned son. He has the right to want to see his mother and she no doubt wants to see the young man he's grown up into.

But hey, I forget. Snape the Nice Guy is supposed to get the girl without considering the implications thereof.

October 6th, 2010

Comments:

Since my mind doesn't work that way

Since my mind doesn't work that way