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St. Ignatius of Antioch ([info]ignatius) wrote in [info]twop_crit,
@ 2005-12-18 06:58:00


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Oh boy
The boards have been going crazy the past few days, ever since the finale of the Apprentice. In case you haven't seen it, Randal (a black man, widely considered to have done the best job overall) was hired, and almost directly after that, Trump asked him if the runner-up, Rebecca (a white woman) should be hired as well. Randal said no, "It's the Apprentice, not the Apprenti," or wtte. Trump said okay then, and then the show ended because this all took place at like 10:58.

Over on the episode thread, a lot of people are complaining about Randal's decision, and saying they lost all respect for him.

On Randal's specific thread we get more of the same, with the bonus of some MsAlli posts. At one point she says Randal's act was "Maybe the lowest and most indefensible thing I've ever seen on reality TV, and I've watched a lot of reality TV."

And then we have the Race and the Apprentice thread and the General Ethnicity and TV thread, who see things completely different, and do a lot of meta talk. Harsh all around.

Not really twop crit, but I figured it went better here than on f_w.


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Re: PMK
(Anonymous)
2006-01-16 09:26 pm UTC (link)
People like her because she doesn't do anything. You can't piss anyone off if you don't do any actual moderating. The downside is that you get posters like maggie, woodstove, Miss Windy, and Vitavetavegamin acting like assholes all over the place. I think some TWoP mods could learn from PMK, but by the same token, PMK could learn a little from TWoP.

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Re: PMK
(Anonymous)
2006-01-17 10:25 pm UTC (link)
How dare you criticize PMK! BANNED!

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Re: PMK
(Anonymous)
2006-01-18 01:28 am UTC (link)
Banning would require moderating effort. It's much easier to let those morons in the chat thread take their passive-aggressive swipes at posters they deem unworthy.*

*anyone who doesn't ooh and aah over stories about trucks or mineral makeup or how many times a certain poster has been engaged to be married.**

**in said poster's imagination only.

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chat thread
(Anonymous)
2006-01-22 02:19 am UTC (link)
that is real funny to complain about what is said in a ''chat thread'', you dont have to read it and what is really funny is for you to complain HERE without a name about other people being ''passive aggressive''. i know why you dont say anything there or at the sucks sucks board. you would have your ass shredded to your face and thats why you post here ANON.

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Re: chat thread
(Anonymous)
2006-01-22 04:46 am UTC (link)
You're posting anon too. Not that I don't know who you are anyway since you can't disguise your posting style at all.

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Re: chat thread
(Anonymous)
2006-01-22 06:40 am UTC (link)
that is weird since i have not posted at sucks or sucks sucks and only lurk. are you miss cleo and can see into the internet?

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Re: chat thread
(Anonymous)
2006-01-22 11:54 pm UTC (link)
The idea of you NOT posting is about as BELIEVABLE as all of the other things you have SAID at TSucks. You're ONE of the most FREQUENT posters THERE. You could stand to take a BREAK, and we could certainly stand it if you DID. You know, "whoever-you-ARE."

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Re: chat thread
(Anonymous)
2006-01-23 03:46 am UTC (link)
Ha ha! That's awesome.

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Re: chat thread
(Anonymous)
2006-01-23 12:32 pm UTC (link)
It would be kind of funny if you were wrong.

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Re: chat thread - (Anonymous), 2006-02-13 02:50 pm UTC
Re: PMK
(Anonymous)
2006-01-20 05:10 pm UTC (link)
I would definitely not say PMK doesn't do anything. I was involved in an exchange with a poster that I thought was being unneccesarily abusive on the board. PMK obviously looked through our posting histories, PM'd me and pointed out that I was just as active a participant in the heated discussion as the other person, and if she were to take action against the person I was involved in this debate with, she'd have to take action against me as well. However, I know for a fact that PMK also PM'd that abusive poster and advised them to tone it down because the poster PM'd ME to accuse me of going to PMK. So, just because you don't see the work doesn't mean it isn't happening. Sounds like someone posting here didn't get the answer they wanted from PMK, or maybe they didn't bother to ask.

Also, I thought this site was to discuss TWOP, not TWOP Sucks. Didn't someone start a TWOP SUCKS SUCKS site? Shouldn't these types of complaints go there? And if you're going to bitch about TWOP SUCKS, how about actual constructive suggestions instead of vague criticism?

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Re: PMK
(Anonymous)
2006-01-21 02:25 am UTC (link)
No one was complaining about PMK. It was merely stated that she doesn't do much. The comment was made in response to someone else who was praising her, which, if you're a stickler about how this board is about TWoP and not TWoP Sucks, is equally off-topic. It seems to me that if you're going to point out that criticism of PMK doesn't belong here, you might also want to point out that praise of her doesn't either. Otherwise, you might look like a hypocrite.

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Re: PMK
(Anonymous)
2006-01-24 04:55 am UTC (link)
I know a couple of people who complained to PMK about MissWindy's constant deluge of posts and a couple of days after that she suddenly stopped posting. There might be moderation going on at tsucks, but since there's no troll patrol etc. it is less transparent than at twop.

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Re: PMK
(Anonymous)
2006-01-24 10:35 pm UTC (link)
The fact that PMK didn't do anything until she received emails about it is kind of the point. It was obvious that Miss Windy was a problem on her first day. She made something like 50 or 60 posts and picked several fights with people. And it got much worse a few days later when Veaglarwen showed up. The two of them together were lecturing people and freaking out because they weren't worshipped by everyone. I don't know if PMK said anything to Miss Windy or not, but I do know that Veaglarwen left soon after she was criticized here. Miss Windy hung on for a couple more weeks but eventually left too. Maybe PMK did say something to her after she was prompted by other posters, but she was damned tardy about it. If she couldn't figure out that Miss Windy was a problem without being told, then that kind of tells against her alleged awesomeness as a mod.

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Re: PMK
(Anonymous)
2006-01-25 12:14 am UTC (link)
People are allowed to disagree on TSucks. If PMK kicked off MoreWeevil, then what's to stop her from kicking off Maggie or Woodstove or Tonks or anyone else? My point is that yes, MW annoyed the hell out of almost everyone, but that's not against the site's rules. If it was, there would be no board!

Public smackdowns might be a preferred way for some people to see justice done, but I think PMK and the other mods do a good job of letting the boards run pretty much on their own. Sure, people get off topic and there are some heated debates, but overall i like everyone who posts there. Except maggie.

According to the records, MW joined TSucks on November 27 and made her last post on December 6. It only seemed longer. I think she read the posts over here that slammed her and she decided to stop posting.

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Re: PMK
(Anonymous)
2006-01-25 12:15 am UTC (link)
People are allowed to disagree on TSucks. If PMK kicked off MoreWeevil, then what's to stop her from kicking off Maggie or Woodstove or Tonks or anyone else? My point is that yes, MW annoyed the hell out of almost everyone, but that's not against the site's rules. If it was, there would be no board!

Public smackdowns might be a preferred way for some people to see justice done, but I think PMK and the other mods do a good job of letting the boards run pretty much on their own. Sure, people get off topic and there are some heated debates, but overall i like everyone who posts there. Except maggie.

According to the records, MW joined TSucks on November 27 and made her last post on December 6. It only seemed longer.

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Re: PMK
(Anonymous)
2006-02-12 03:51 am UTC (link)
Look at 19bored. In his first post, he calls Jacob "faggoty" over language choice in a recap, and PMK just edits that out. His next two posts are also homophobic. Why did he get another chance after using a slur? Why wasn't he smacked down in a humiliating and public way? His behavior certainly warranted it.

Also, dottstar should be banned for lacking two neurons to rub together.

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Re: PMK
(Anonymous)
2006-02-12 06:59 pm UTC (link)
Also, dottstar should be banned for lacking two neurons to rub together.

I love it when dottstar, who's barely literate, complains about grammar mistakes at TWoP. Half the time, they're not even mistakes, and the other half of the time, she must just be guessing because she wouldn't recognize a grammar mistake if she fell over one of her own sentences.

I also loved her one and only post at TWoP Sucks Sucks. She just barged in, read nothing, and posted this non sequitur:

[angry emoticon] to the posts saying TWoP PTB and posters are just misunderstood, and you're pathetic, as well as wrong for caring about them posts. Lately a lot of posts read "Baa, baa, baa." Who let the sheep out!

Yes, them posts is the worst. They posters make we so mad.

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Re: PMK
(Anonymous)
2006-02-13 10:34 am UTC (link)
Dottstar's right though. There are a lot of sheeple currently taking over TWOP Sucks.

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Re: PMK
(Anonymous)
2006-02-13 02:49 pm UTC (link)
In this case I guess "sheeple" = "people who don't agree with my view on twop".

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Re: PMK
(Anonymous)
2006-02-13 09:53 pm UTC (link)
"In this case I guess "sheeple" = "people who don't agree with my view on twop". "

It also means people who want to make sure other people can't post their different views at twop.

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Re: PMK - (Anonymous), 2006-02-14 03:09 am UTC
Re: PMK
(Anonymous)
2006-02-14 03:32 am UTC (link)
There are a lot of sheeple currently taking over TWOP Sucks.

How terrible. It sounds like you need some better moderation there.

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Re: PMK
(Anonymous)
2006-01-24 10:43 pm UTC (link)
Just adding that I didn't mean to imply that you said she was awesome. I was referring more to the earlier post that talked about her "mad modding skilz" or some such thing and the way that some folks seem to take any less-than-glowing comment about PMK ridiculously personally. I don't have a problem with PMK, but I don't think she's a great mod either.

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Re: PMK
(Anonymous)
2006-01-28 09:36 pm UTC (link)
This whole thing sounds like a lot of sour grapes being stomped on by one or two people who probably don't like PMK, or a few posters on TWoP sucks. Pulling up excerpts of posts made in a chat thread is lame. If people want to chat about make-up, trucks, their dogs, or whatever else in chat threads, I don't see the problem.

The couple of posters here who continually insult TWoP-sucks posters over nonsense seem to be the ones with a problem, not PMK, and not TWoP sucks.

What's the matter? Not popular there? Need to come here and sling your crap anonymously instead?

Sad.

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Re: PMK
(Anonymous)
2006-01-29 05:42 pm UTC (link)
Yes, yes, we know.

TWoP is lame and sad.
TWoP Sucks is perfection itself.
Anyone who doesn't bow to the brilliance of TWoP Sucks and its posters is lame and sad.

Enough already.

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Re: PMK
(Anonymous)
2006-01-29 11:20 pm UTC (link)
Well OK, except that's not what I said.

I think the worst thing about TWoP Sucks is it's name. The site is not really a "bitching about TWoP" forum anymore, although it may have begun that way. It has a few annoying posters, and by annoying I mean rude or argumentative, unable to hear alternate points of view, or an inability to discuss opinions as an adult. The posters being slammed here, in general, seem like nice people, and for the most part I enjoy their posts. The fanatics about LOST or the Rat Fink thread can be annoying, but PMK seems to step in and control any flamming pretty quickly.

TWoP has many good points too, and is a much larger forum. While I think PMK's modding is outstanding, I don't think all of her methods would be appropriate for TWoP. However, the thread about suggestions to improve TWoP has many good ideas. It's not that difficult to be polite to your customers, and Sars, Wing, and Miss Allie seem to have the most trouble with that concept, while other moderators are pretty good.

There are many positive posts about TWoP on the TWoP Sucks site, it's not all one sided.

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