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seiberwing ([info]seiberwing) wrote in [info]unfunny_fandom,
@ 2011-06-06 14:05:00


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Older wank, but still tasty.
Misogyny wrapped in status quo and covered with a layer of fully missing the point, as recovered from the back of the wank_report refrigerator.



[info]theriversea was an up-and-coming roleplay community centered around genderswap themes. While it's since been deleted (due to disinterest or shame, we're not sure which), [info]pikabot has a preserved version of its description along with an analysis of why the setting concept is a little...troubling.


The device was damaged; the scientests, killed. The remaining Amazon forces have no choice, but to use the device as it is.

With the genetic identifiers no longer working, the portal no longer has the ability to pick out only women; now it takes everyone, and changes them. Genetic identitification has become genetic modification.

The men become women: Amazons.

The women become men: slaves.


So basically it's still an enslaved-female setting, it's just that everyone's genitals get swapped around before they get there. It seems a bizarre and slightly pointless concept. But the problematic fun really gets going once an ad for the comm is posted to [info]rp_anon_meme. People jump on the idea as misogynist and basically maintaining the same gender roles with a slight alteration of anatomy, and the mods respond. Troublingly.

The whole point is that it's misogynistic. People have to deal with it. Women are facing the same issues they would face in society (to a greater degree). Men are (hopefully) going to notice it, and think about it.

If it was a game with a bunch of men keeping women as slaves, flat out, I would totally agree with you. As it is, we're trying to create some degree of thought.


[***]

Frankly, because genderswap was the first idea we had. Both mods wanted to do a genderswap game, everything else came after that.

We decided that Amazons would be a fairly good way to do a game that wouldn't make every single player be forced to do the "oh no, my role in society is changed! whatever shall I do!". Instead, the role in society hasn't changed, despite the outside, despite the fact that they're women.


[***]

Here is a fact about RP: most characters that get apped are male.

We had to have a concept that took the fact that (since we're doing a genderswapped game), most of the cast is going to be female, but not all. A female dominant society (such as the Amazons) made sense, in that context. We aren't expecting half the cast to be M, half F; we're expecting a lot of male characters playing amazons, with a fair amount of female characters as slaves.


So basically they missed the entire point of genderswap, when their core concept was genderswap, because they didn't want the mens to feel left out. But things don't stop there, as a secret related to the comm is posted on roleplaysecrets. The wank is all over the place, but here are some highlights:

The mod comes in to claim that the Amazons are the bad guys, really, so it's totally okay.

But I'm a feminist and love my women! I was only a bitch because everyone else was being bitchy. (And she's stepped down as mod. For...some reason.)

You should join it and change the entire game concept from within. That doesn't defeat the point at all.

Also villains aren't allowed to be spies.

I'm almost interested in how far they got the game off the ground, in the end...apparently it wasn't far enough to make it last.


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[info]greenygal
2011-06-07 05:35 pm UTC (link)
Aside from all the obvious issues, I find myself having worldbuilding problems with regards to the original society. I mean, okay, here we have a society in which one gender are warriors and one gender are slaves, with all the associated belief systems that go along with that. I concede that it is possible these people will react to a large influx of newcomers who they know used to be the opposite sex before they showed up (even if they don't know that's how the machine works, they'll find out when everyone starts yelling) by simply assigning them the roles of their current sex, with no especial confusion or uncertainty about how to treat them. I just don't think it's very likely.

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[info]seiberwing
2011-06-07 05:46 pm UTC (link)
It's not clear if they even know that their new imports are sexswapped. Nothing's clear here besides some awkward near-fetishism.

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[info]cmdr_zoom
2011-06-07 06:48 pm UTC (link)
Inasmuch as there's any sense to be made from the later comments, it sounds like the mods went into this with nothing more than a vague idea that "yeah, a genderswap game would be cool" (and no idea of its potential pitfalls). And from there, made it up as they went along, badly. Very badly.

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[info]platedlizard
2011-06-09 06:53 am UTC (link)
The other problem I have with that scenario is the idea that the locals would automatically fit the newcomers into their social paradigm. I think it's far more likely that they'd see them as foreigners and realize they have different beliefs, even if the locals don't understand or respect them. That could create some interesting conflicts and situations. You wouldn't need to gender-swap, however.

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