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Sep (lord of all I survey) ([info]sepiamagpie) wrote in [info]unfunny_fandom,
@ 2011-07-11 08:31:00
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Entry tags:have some fucking decorum!, sticks and stones may break my bones but, you used a bad word so i'm in the clear

After all that, I'm just a little curious what a european grocery store is like
Some Jim Butcher (he writes a fantasy mystery series called the Dresden Files, I think that's the name of the series, anyway) unfunny for you.


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[info]madelfdisease
2011-07-11 04:55 pm UTC (link)
So are there any authors who aren't precious little flowers who will disappoint me when people call out racism in their works and/or comments? I can't say I would have expected much better from Mr. Butcher, but still. Disappointing.

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[info]sistercoyote
2011-07-11 05:44 pm UTC (link)
Jim C. Hines, probably but not definitely.

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[info]charamei
2011-07-11 08:35 pm UTC (link)
John Scalzi's pretty good, from what I've seen.

I'd expect Nora Jemisin to take it well too, but that's only a hypothesis at this point.

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late, but... - [info]isaiddietpepsi, 2011-07-27 11:51 pm UTC

[info]amaltheia
2011-07-12 12:39 pm UTC (link)
I know this one!

Strange Horizons and the author C.S.E. Cooney got taken to task for a story by the latter published in the former.

This is Strange Horizons response - http://www.strangehorizons.com/blog/2011/07/on_working_toward_our_mission.shtml

And this is C.S.E Cooney's response http://csecooney.livejournal.com/322752.html

I wish all authors and professionals involved in publishing would follow their example in how to response to criticism.

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(no subject) - [info]rosehiptea, 2011-07-12 06:06 pm UTC

[info]derryderrydown
2011-07-18 01:08 pm UTC (link)
Karen Healey and Jennifer Matarese, definitely. I can't help feeling Diane Duane would continue her awesomeness, but I have no proof.

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[info]larathia
2011-07-11 06:40 pm UTC (link)
This is a guy who freely admits his fans correct him on his Chicago history and geography all the time, because he lives in rural Missouri and rarely if ever GOES to Chicago.

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[info]misachan
2011-07-11 06:52 pm UTC (link)
Oh Jim Butcher No.

Had he not reacted so personally and started weeping about the internet was so meeeeeaaaaan, I would have just taken that passage as Harry being wrong-headed and racist. (Dresden files are all first person.) God knows Harry's not the most reliable of narrators.

Now I have to wonder if JB actually BELIEVES all the nonsense in Harry's head.

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[info]cmdr_zoom
2011-07-11 07:03 pm UTC (link)
His big mistake, IMO, was not shutting up sooner.

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[info]sandglass
2011-07-11 07:37 pm UTC (link)
"Fuck you Jim Butcher" is neither criticism, nor criticism of my text.

Thanks, Jim Butcher, for letting us know that we're not allowed to express anger when you insult our homes!

Apparently he got so upset by someone cursing at him that he forgot all the criticism written before and after that! He writes an awfully dark story, you'd think he'd be a bit tougher.

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[info]sisterelwood
2011-07-11 08:36 pm UTC (link)
Why are so many of my favorite books written by twits? Ugh.

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[info]eldritch
2011-07-11 08:44 pm UTC (link)
Sigh.

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[info]oxfordcomma
2011-07-11 09:14 pm UTC (link)
Didn't he get all faily about the sexism in the books, too? Or maybe I'm thinking of some of his fans?

Anyway, this makes me glad I never picked up the series.

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Warning for mention of assault. - [info]hadesphoenix, 2011-07-12 01:14 am UTC
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[info]spawn_of_kong
2011-07-11 09:40 pm UTC (link)
*shakes head*

Oy vey.

I will concede this to Butcher: I can see how one could take the use of an F-bomb directed at them somewhat personally. I too have a tendency to take negative responses to my statements rather personally.

But did he have to keep going on about it? Even if he was still angry, that's what stepping away from the computer to seethe for a bit is for (something I've also done when I feel overwhelmed during online interactions).

On the bright side, new Dresden Files book out. Yay?

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[info]seiberwing
2011-07-11 10:07 pm UTC (link)
A European grocery store is basically like a regular grocery store, but a little nicer. And has some specialty foods.

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ealusaid
2011-07-11 11:36 pm UTC (link)
I'm going to have to assume Butcher (who I don't know squat about) has a history of being clueless, because coming to this cold, it isn't precisely a steaming pile of Fail.

I'm also kind of bothered by the current meme that "the tone argument", when flipped on its head, means any angry or insulting behaviour from an oppressed person is acceptable, and that oppressed people can never in the course of fighting that oppression legitimately hurt privileged people. No, in fact, privilege doesn't make a person emotionally invulnerable, and oppresion doesn't make you always morally right.

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[info]theninth
2011-07-11 11:39 pm UTC (link)
Am I the only person in the world who doesn't care if someone messes with geography for the purpose of a book or a TV show? I mean clearly it's not Chicago As We Know it. I don't care if he moves locations around.

As for everything else that's wrong, I just assume it's the character's flaws and keep going. Butcher should've just said "I am not a wizard named Harry who lives in Chicago" and shut the hell up.

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[info]staroverthebay
2011-07-12 03:15 am UTC (link)
*tilts head at the tags*

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[info]calatha
2011-07-13 12:55 am UTC (link)
Looking at his Twitter, it seems as though he and Lucy came to an understanding of sorts, hugs and kisses all around, etc., and then pyrofennec (a troll, maybe? Twitter deleted now) steps up to throw some gas on the fire and Jim goes off again. Walk away, dude, c'mon.

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[info]northen_light36
2011-07-13 02:59 pm UTC (link)
Said all I want to say over here at my writing blog. http://ann-r-starr.dreamwidth.org/14036.html

TL;DR version, everyone handled that badly.

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[info]spearcarrier
2011-07-13 08:03 pm UTC (link)
Considering that Jim Butcher used 'tarbaby' to describe a black servant creature in his last book, I don't expect that much better from him anyway.

More to the point of this particular wank, he also notes in that passage about Hyde Park that the (all white, if I recall correctly) Alphas have been patrolling and cleaning up the crime there. So apparently what this black neighborhood needed was some white people to save it from itself.

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[info]evilsqueakers
2011-07-13 08:59 pm UTC (link)
This was referenced on a book blog, I tried to do a quick Google but nothing came up. I'm glad someone explained it. I'm taking an urban fantasy writing class so Butcher is mentioned often. I don't read 'im so I was greatly confused.

Yay for unconfusedness.

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[info]sadisticferret
2011-07-15 10:00 am UTC (link)
Wow. After this, I think I can safely and without regret cross Jim Butcher's works off of my 'to read' list. What the hell.

Now, back to Snow Queen's Shadow.

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[info]arachnejericho
2011-07-24 10:58 pm UTC (link)
As a fan of the Harry Dresden series (note: fan of series, not fan of author), this doesn't surprise me. None of this surprises me in the least. After some fail quite a while ago, I generally stay very far away from Butcher's blog and any mention of his name in the news. I just came across this, and... sigh.

I have this theory that a lot of authors take a while (if ever) to admit they're wrong or have done something questionable because it takes a lot of not doing either to get published in the first place. Authors like Jim C. Hines (who actually reacted well to someone pointing out fail in The Stepsister Scheme, and promised to do better, and actually did better) are the exception rather than the rule. All the more reason to avoid reading author blogs and tweets unless you actually are a fan of the author.

Also, I feel weird saying I'm a fan of a series with problematic racial issues. But then again, I'm a fan of Sherlock Holmes, and have started posting a re-read that I know will expose racism, homophobia, and sexism in the canon text (indeed, I'm near the precipice of five chapters of such). And then there's the failfest that is The Lord of the Rings. But Holmes is Holmes, hobbits are hobbits, and Harry rides dinosaurs in the middle of thunderstorms with a hobbyist playing polka on an accordion. Sometimes there is awesome juxtaposed to the awful.

The best thing a fan can do is be aware of the shortcomings of a series. If you still love it, there's nothing wrong with that. If you hate it, then things were never meant to be, and there are many fish in the sea. And even if you love it, it's still your gods-given mission to find other works out there.

</thoughts class="yaoi">

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2011-11-16 05:52 pm UTC (link)
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