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Pyrate Jenni ([info]pyratejenni) wrote in [info]unfunny_fandom,
@ 2011-07-29 16:47:00
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Entry tags:hide our sins, it's different if it's my friend, misconceptions about feminism, rape culture, schedule your rape accusations, sj means never having to say you're sry, social justice, transfail

Heartbreak & Heroines
Kynn created a RPG called Heartbreak & Heroines, and used Kickstarter to get $3000 in funding in 48 hours. Over on LJ, Jack posted his response to his ex's success, in two minds because he's glad someone he knows did something cool, Kynn raped him. A couple days later, alexandraerin posts as well, expressing dismay at Kynn's behavior.

Jack posts Tweets from Kynn and later, emails,. At some point, the Kickstart for the RPG is canceled.

Some responses are laudable. Others, not so much.

ETA: Kynn tried to get a new name on RPG post-ban.

ETA2: Elf has a post about it.

ETA3: Kynn denies the rape happened.



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[info]sandglass
2011-07-30 12:01 am UTC (link)
Important detail that Heartbreak and Heroines is supposed to be a feminist and inclusive RPG. Mind boggling.

Also, what's wrong with the last link? I'm probably too hungry to read it properly, but I can't tell where the problem is, aside from the paradox of believing the victim but not condemning the accused.

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[info]the__ivorytower
2011-07-30 12:10 am UTC (link)
Oh my, this must be the feminist RPG that my friend decided to sponsor on Kickstart because it enraged people on RPG.net.

Oh... oh my.

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[info]the_con_cept
2011-07-30 12:19 am UTC (link)
Victim blaming and rape apology really get my hackles up. I am trying to read Sparkymonster charitably and assume "I am doing my best to carefully say “Jack is a rape survivor who I believe and support” and not say “Kynn is a rapist," is really SUPPOSED to mean, "I want to focus on Jack as a rape survivor rather than on Kynn being a rapist," but fuck, there are a lot of contortions to do that, particularly when Sparkymonster seems to think there's no cognitive dissonance in her wording.

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[info]twinno
2011-07-30 12:41 am UTC (link)
If Jack doesn't like this, I will be able to know.

So what does "That's never okay" mean to you exactly, kynn? Because to me "That's never okay" sounds an awful lot like "That's never okay," meaning, of course, that it's never okay. No, not even if he likes you. Not even if you're in a relationship. Not even if you're allowed to do it when you're alone. Not even if you forgot or didn't hear it the first time.

That's never okay.

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[info]greenling
2011-07-30 08:04 am UTC (link)
Wow. See, I just heard she was one of those passive-aggressive tools who thought people being whiny was a great excuse to troll and that "inclusive" means "fuck anybody who isn't an able-bodied white girl".

It sounds like I mean this from amusement rather than hate, but wow, when she sounded really dismissive of transmasculine people I sure as fuck didn't expect this! She is just a sparkly magic roller-coaster of horrible person masquerading as a feminist.

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[info]bof
2011-07-30 10:03 am UTC (link)
Here's my thought: Fuck you Kynn you fucking asshole rapist.

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[info]varkias
2011-07-30 11:03 am UTC (link)
Some more links from wank_report:

Kynn insist she's innocent and taunts her victim:
- http://keeva.dreamwidth.org/317244.html

Alexandraerin posts some more:
- alexandraerin.livejournal.com/288316.html
- alexandraerin.livejournal.com/288525.html

Other people talk about this:
- http://lady-ganesh.dreamwidth.org/73878.html
- http://deepad.dreamwidth.org/66393.html
- http://sparkymonster.dreamwidth.org/411490.html
- http://www.20by20room.com/2011/07/more-heartbreak/

Oh, and Jack posts some more about Kynn mocking him:
http://moofable.livejournal.com/192961.html

AE made at least one other post besides the above links, but I can't find it atm.

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[info]jackandahat
2011-07-30 11:53 am UTC (link)
Also, is it just me or are more of the comments in Elf's roundup about the "There aren't enough female characters in games!" than about "Wait, one of our own seems to be a skeevy rapist"?

The lack of female characters is an issue, yes. And yes, it's sad that there won't be a game (Though... I don't get the thing about "Well, if it was men, someone else would step up to take over". I'm sure I'm missing something but... why can't another woman start a game? There's evidence of an audience, evidence of support, what's the fundamental difference between men and women that makes women so allegedly incapable here?)

But. I feel like they're chosing to ignore that someone was raped because it's stepping on their funtimes.

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[info]ickle_snowflake
2011-07-30 06:10 pm UTC (link)
I'm really shaken by people's reaction to this, and the way people who'll fight rape culture have turned around and started using the same rhetoric and the same words they've been fighting.

I really hope Jack gets all the help and support he needs.

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(no subject) - [info]fernmonkey, 2011-08-01 11:12 am UTC
Trigger Warning for people reading Elf's post.
[info]jackandahat
2011-07-31 02:17 am UTC (link)
Ravan came back to spew more hate about how we're all knuckle-draggers tearing into feminists and trans people (She seems to have missed that the victim is trans too), and to go on about how really this is all just an attack on feminism. She claims that Jack and Alexandra are benefitting from this.

Probably highly triggering if you're harmed by rape-apologism and the like.

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Re: Trigger Warning for people reading Elf's post. - [info]dere, 2011-07-31 03:51 am UTC
Re: Trigger Warning for people reading Elf's post. - [info]ickle_snowflake, 2011-07-31 04:20 pm UTC

[info]duraniedrama
2011-07-31 02:40 am UTC (link)
Nothing makes me want to punch things quite like "I wouldn't have trampled your boundaries like that if you'd just objected more loudly."

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(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2011-07-31 05:26 am UTC

[info]juliansinger
2011-07-31 02:56 am UTC (link)
*reads Kynn's post*

May I just say, in measured tones, what the shit is this? Thank you.

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(no subject) - [info]dere, 2011-08-01 01:56 am UTC
Aaaand it keeps going!
[info]ladyofviolets
2011-07-31 03:02 am UTC (link)
Kynn keeps trying to "defend herself" (re: painting self as the victim), but ends up digging self further. Triggers everywhere, needless to say!

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Re: Aaaand it keeps going! - [info]jackandahat, 2011-07-31 03:11 am UTC
Re: Aaaand it keeps going! - [info]juliansinger, 2011-07-31 03:16 am UTC
Re: Aaaand it keeps going! - [info]jackandahat, 2011-07-31 03:21 am UTC
Re: Aaaand it keeps going! - [info]dere, 2011-07-31 03:25 am UTC
Re: Aaaand it keeps going! - [info]jackandahat, 2011-07-31 03:26 am UTC
Re: Aaaand it keeps going! - [info]dere, 2011-07-31 04:04 am UTC
Re: Aaaand it keeps going! - [info]jackandahat, 2011-07-31 04:31 am UTC
Re: Aaaand it keeps going! - [info]cereta, 2011-08-01 02:04 am UTC
Re: Aaaand it keeps going! - [info]juliansinger, 2011-07-31 03:37 am UTC
Re: Aaaand it keeps going! - [info]bcaluroso, 2011-08-04 11:46 pm UTC
Re: Aaaand it keeps going! - [info]jackandahat, 2011-08-04 11:48 pm UTC
Re: Aaaand it keeps going! - [info]bcaluroso, 2011-08-04 11:55 pm UTC
Re: Aaaand it keeps going! - [info]ickle_snowflake, 2011-07-31 03:23 am UTC
Re: Aaaand it keeps going! - [info]harrylovesron, 2011-07-31 03:55 am UTC
Re: Aaaand it keeps going! - [info]jackandahat, 2011-07-31 04:20 am UTC
Re: Aaaand it keeps going! - [info]franzen, 2011-07-31 05:33 am UTC
Re: Aaaand it keeps going! - [info]jackandahat, 2011-07-31 06:10 am UTC
Re: Aaaand it keeps going! - [info]napalmnacey, 2011-08-01 06:20 am UTC
Re: Aaaand it keeps going! - [info]jackandahat, 2011-08-01 11:23 am UTC
Re: Aaaand it keeps going! - [info]sqbr, 2011-08-01 11:39 am UTC
Re: Aaaand it keeps going! - [info]laguera25, 2011-07-31 03:18 am UTC
Re: Aaaand it keeps going! - [info]jackandahat, 2011-07-31 03:22 am UTC
Re: Aaaand it keeps going! - [info]sunhawk, 2011-07-31 07:47 am UTC
Re: Aaaand it keeps going! - [info]duraniedrama, 2011-07-31 05:55 pm UTC
Re: Aaaand it keeps going! - [info]brown_betty, 2011-08-02 05:58 am UTC
Re: Aaaand it keeps going! - [info]otoselkie, 2011-08-12 10:56 pm UTC

[info]sepiamagpie
2011-07-31 03:39 am UTC (link)
God, but Kynn is a fuckawful human being. And I'm more than a little disgusted by her supporters. The bit with asking Moofable whether there were support groups for rapists was a creepy cherry on top.

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(no subject) - [info]qem_chibati, 2011-07-31 04:35 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bof, 2011-07-31 03:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sandglass, 2011-08-01 12:49 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2011-08-01 06:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2011-08-01 07:15 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2011-08-01 07:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]spawn_of_kong, 2011-08-01 03:39 pm UTC
What is this I just don't even. D:
[info]quantumreality
2011-07-31 05:28 am UTC (link)

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[info]franzen
2011-07-31 05:28 am UTC (link)
Kynn's post was pulled. Caps?

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(no subject) - [info]dere, 2011-07-31 05:39 am UTC
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[info]juliansinger
2011-07-31 05:30 am UTC (link)
Mm-kay.

So now she's "decided it's best not to play along with the attempts to make this an Internet he-said, she-said."

Way to use those loaded words, Kynn. Good job! I'd admire it if it wasn't so... so... infuriating.

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[info]taichara
2011-07-31 06:27 am UTC (link)
Apparently there's been more activity on rpg.net (both a thread and ruling I missed before it was deleted) on the rape and not the game; these bits on Trouble Tickets are interesting --

[Error: Irreparable invalid markup ('<a [...] innocent?"</a>') in entry. Owner must fix manually. Raw contents below.]

Apparently there's been more activity on rpg.net (both a thread and ruling I missed before it was deleted) on the rape and not the game; these bits on Trouble Tickets are interesting --

<a href=http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?586210-Guilty-until-proven-innocent?"Guilty until proven innocent?"</a>

<a href=http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?586209-Clarification-on-RPG.net-s-stance>"Clarification on RPG.net's stance?"</a>

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(no subject) - [info]taichara, 2011-07-31 06:27 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2011-07-31 07:54 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]taichara, 2011-07-31 12:42 pm UTC
cleaned up cap of kynn's explanation post (tw: r*pe apologia, abuse)
[info]sunhawk
2011-07-31 07:32 am UTC (link)
Just noticed someone posted a link to a cleaned-up cap of the deleted entry at wank_report:

http://www.journalfen.net/community/wank_report/888.html?thread=7405176#t7405176

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(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2011-07-31 07:38 am UTC
Re: cleaned up cap of kynn's explanation post (tw: r*pe apologia, abuse) - [info]nimp, 2011-07-31 07:43 am UTC
Re: cleaned up cap of kynn's explanation post (tw: r*pe apologia, abuse) - [info]esorlehcar, 2011-07-31 09:30 am UTC
Re: cleaned up cap of kynn's explanation post (tw: r*pe apologia, abuse) - [info]chikane, 2011-07-31 09:05 am UTC
Re: cleaned up cap of kynn&#39;s explanation post (tw: r*pe apologia, abuse) - [info]jackandahat, 2011-07-31 01:03 pm UTC
Re: cleaned up cap of kynn&#39;s explanation post (tw: r*pe apologia, abuse) - [info]chikane, 2011-07-31 05:04 pm UTC
Re: cleaned up cap of kynn&#39;s explanation post (tw: r*pe apologia, abuse) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2011-08-01 12:14 am UTC
Re: cleaned up cap of kynn's explanation post (tw: r*pe apologia, abuse) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2011-07-31 01:12 pm UTC
Re: cleaned up cap of kynn's explanation post (tw: r*pe apologia, abuse) - [info]duraniedrama, 2011-07-31 01:41 pm UTC
Re: cleaned up cap of kynn&#39;s explanation post (tw: r*pe apologia, abuse) - [info]jackandahat, 2011-07-31 02:30 pm UTC
Re: cleaned up cap of kynn's explanation post (tw: r*pe apologia, abuse) - [info]sandglass, 2011-07-31 09:07 pm UTC
Re: cleaned up cap of kynn's explanation post (tw: r*pe apologia, abuse) - [info]dere, 2011-07-31 09:27 pm UTC
Re: cleaned up cap of kynn's explanation post (tw: r*pe apologia, abuse) - [info]kumquat_of_doom, 2011-08-01 03:41 am UTC
Re: cleaned up cap of kynn's explanation post (tw: r*pe apologia, abuse) - [info]dere, 2011-08-01 02:13 pm UTC

[info]bof
2011-07-31 10:15 am UTC (link)
All the victim blaming, the defense of the victim blaming and all the rape culture in shameless, unapologetic action is just astounding watch. You know, in the soul-numbing, horrible way.

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(no subject) - [info]qem_chibati, 2011-07-31 01:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bof, 2011-07-31 03:24 pm UTC
More on BDSM aspects of the case
[info]bof
2011-07-31 03:29 pm UTC (link)
Even if the situation between Jack and Kynn/Keeva was part of a BDSM scene/dynamic, with Kynn/Keeva playing the role of Top or Dominant, again that does not mean the issue of consent just magically goes away, and it does not mean that as the Top/Dominant Kynn/Keeva didn't have to take into consideration any of Jack's hard or soft limits.

The whole post needs to be read, but to put it short, BDSM dynamic being involved doesn't mean what happened to Jack isn't rape.

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Re: More on BDSM aspects of the case - [info]jackandahat, 2011-07-31 03:39 pm UTC
Re: More on BDSM aspects of the case - [info]dere, 2011-07-31 03:43 pm UTC
Re: More on BDSM aspects of the case - [info]jackandahat, 2011-07-31 03:48 pm UTC
Re: More on BDSM aspects of the case - [info]dere, 2011-07-31 03:49 pm UTC
Re: More on BDSM aspects of the case - [info]bof, 2011-07-31 03:46 pm UTC
Re: More on BDSM aspects of the case - [info]dere, 2011-07-31 03:39 pm UTC

[info]b_jellybean
2011-07-31 06:23 pm UTC (link)
Oh jesus christ the chat logs in the caps from Kynn's post. With the suicide threatening and the passive-aggressive behavior and Jack trying so hard to get through the conversation.

I guess this is what triggers feel like.

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rageful tl;dr
[info]esorlehcar
2011-07-31 07:49 pm UTC (link)
The more I think about the "I believe Jack is a rape victim, but that doesn't make Kynn a rapist" narrative, the more pissed off I get. It's just so mealy mouthed and... cowardly, is the best word I can think of.

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Kynn's intentions were 1,000% pure. She honestly thought Jack saying no was part of the scene, that Jack had implicitly consented to everything she did by not using a safe word or whatever, and the encounter was consensual and mutually enjoyable. Even if that's exactly the way it went down (which after reading those chat logs and that travesty of "Can't we talk about my trauma, being accused of rape by mean liars?" post, I sincerely fucking doubt, but again, for the sake of argument), THAT MAKES KYNN A RAPIST.

"Jack was raped by Kynn, but it's not fair to say Kynn raped Jack!" isn't just ridiculous, it's fucking offensive, especially coming from people who speak out about rape culture and know exactly how much they're perpetuating and spreading it by pretending rape is passive act that just "happens" to people without a perpetrator involved.

If Jack was raped by Kynn, then Kynn raped Jack. Even if she honestly had no idea she was forcing herself on him without his consent, she raped him, because it sure as hell isn't the assailant who gets to decide whether a sexual encounter is voluntary. And trying to remove Kynn from the picture is as good as saying, "Jack got himself raped." Remove the perpetrator, and all you have left is blaming the victim, no matter how much you try to dance around it.

I'm guessing the whole "Jack was raped, but Kynn's not a rapist" thing is meant to suggest that she's not a terrible person, that misunderstanding consent (a stretch, but whatever) doesn't mean she's never done anything good in her life or ever will again, and that may well all be true. But none of it means she isn't, or can't be, a rapist.

If Kynn isn't a rapist, that means she didn't rape anyone, and that means Jack wasn't raped. If you don't believe Kynn is a rapist, you believe Jack is a liar (or, if you want to be really charitable, just confused about the fact the sex he didn't want was actually consensual). It's really not difficult. And fucking EVERYONE trying to weasel their way out of condemning a friend's behavior is plenty smart enough to know that, which just makes the whole thing that much grosser.

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Re: rageful tl;dr - [info]harrylovesron, 2011-07-31 08:12 pm UTC
Re: rageful tl;dr - [info]gmth, 2011-07-31 08:52 pm UTC
Re: rageful tl;dr - [info]juliansinger, 2011-07-31 09:49 pm UTC
Re: rageful tl;dr - [info]cereta, 2011-08-01 02:10 am UTC
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Re: rageful tl;dr - [info]snacky, 2011-08-01 02:59 am UTC
Re: rageful tl;dr - [info]fernmonkey, 2011-08-01 11:04 am UTC
Re: rageful tl;dr - [info]franzen, 2011-08-01 03:21 am UTC
Re: rageful tl;dr - [info]fernmonkey, 2011-08-01 11:02 am UTC
Re: rageful tl;dr - [info]dere, 2011-08-01 02:10 pm UTC

[info]juliansinger
2011-08-01 02:26 am UTC (link)
And, another country heard from. (The Will Shetterly country. He's got his own.)

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[info]napalmnacey
2011-08-01 06:39 am UTC (link)
This is fucking terrible. And sadly, I know a bit of what Jack feels, having had the whole rape and conventions thing myself. And then an entire community talking about it, and it drives you nuts because you feel exposed, but being quiet about it and have everyone act like that person is the best person ever feels worse, and no matter what, you can't fucking win. When you're a victim in this circumstance, you can NEVER WIN. Even the support gets tiring and triggering, and you feel like an asshole cause people are just trying to help you.

I hope Jack gets the help he needs, I hope he comes out of this okay. My heart is with him. I'd let him know but, you know, I know that's not always helpful. So I'll give my support from afar.

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