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kaen ([info]kaen) wrote in [info]unfunny_fandom,
@ 2011-08-06 02:15:00


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Batgirl at the SDCC
I'm surprised nobody's posted about this one yet.

San Diego Comic Con happened a couple of weeks back, and of course people from DC comics were talking about their series and trying to drum up support for the universe-wide reboot that will be happening next month.

As you'd probably guess, given that they're wiping out the decades long histories of many beloved characters, a lot of people are unhappy with them for a lot of reasons, but the events of this post are focused on one specific issue; people have been noticing that a lot of women seem to be vanishing as part of the reboot. Not just in the pages of the comics, but in real life as well. Women have gone from making up 12% of their creator base (not exactly a great number to begin with) to under 2%. Which'd be three, total.

Kyrax2 (who you'll see referred to as 'Batgirl' a lot in articles in reference to the costume she was wearing) was attending SDCC with her daughter and asked questions about these issues at a few of the DC panels. She was met with evasive and dismissive answers from the panelists and increasing hostility from the crowds of fans. DC has podcasts available of the panels, check the New 52 and Justice League panels on the 22nd and New 52 again on the 23rd. (And to that I'll add a quote from a comment on comicbookGRRL; "Newly-infamous ‘Batgirl’ and I were talking about the audio recording last night, and how it doesn’t quite get the whole experience across. You had to see Didio standing on his toes, leaning over a podium from atop a raised stage, looming over a 4′ 10” woman. His body language was all about bullying and belittlement. When he decided things were done and she shouldn’t talk anymore, he rocked back from the podium and looked away.")

Among other things Dan Didio, the man in charge at DC, said that women should submit their work if they want to be represented at DC, failing to mention that DC doesn't accept unsolicited submissions, (whoops! That one was actually Grant Morrison, though Didio agreed with the answer) and claimed that he'd put together the best team possible for the New 52 which (you'll see in the links to come) many people find hard to believe when that team includes people like Rob Liefeld while artists like Amanda Conner (who had already worked for the company) were nowhere to be seen.

And then several of the major comics news sites went on the report Kyrax2 as being a big old bully picking on the poor little major comic book company. Yeah.

DC Women Kicking Ass provides links to many of those reports, and followed it up with an interview with Kyrax2 letting her tell her side of the story.

This article at Fempop, beyond talking about what happened at SDCC, gives more background about what's happening with women in DC comics for anyone who wants more background on where this is coming from, as does this one at comicbookGRRRL (who also wrote an article about it for SciFiNow).

There are two posts up at Websnark one a pretty quick mention of it and then a more in-depth reaction which has been linked around a lot.

And finally DC released a statement acknowledging the complaints although they don't apologize for being so dismissive about them to begin with.

This probably goes without saying, but expect to find plenty of sexism, mansplaining, and general not-getting-itness in the comments sections.


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[info]notjo
2011-08-06 07:22 pm UTC (link)
Oh my gosh, that "acknowledgement" from DC is so terrible. "Oh, but we have hired women in the past, have these strong female characters (but we're getting rid of all the women of colour), so obviously we're not sexist. We're totes going to change the gender ratio of creators in the future, too! Just don't ask us to commit to anything and don't speculate on why we didn't just say so! :D!"

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[info]cmdr_zoom
2011-08-07 12:15 am UTC (link)
"But we have lots of _____ friends!"

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[info]kaen
2011-08-07 01:04 am UTC (link)
Yeah, and I've seen some people act like it was a great outstretched hand, which confuses me (I mean, confuses me when it's one of the feminists who've been commenting about it; I totally understand it when I see it from male fans who want us uppity women to shut up about it already) when it's really really not.

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[info]derryderrydown
2011-08-07 10:43 pm UTC (link)
These strong female characters who are having their costumes cut down to strategically placed strips of fabric and string. UGLY AS FUCK strategically placed strips of fabric and string.

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[info]evilsqueakers
2011-08-08 12:56 am UTC (link)
It's like I said elsewhere, it's like they looked Aeon Flux and didn't understand the irony of her entire ensemble.

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[info]female_fanboy
2011-08-08 05:11 am UTC (link)
I think it should be a new law that Jim Lee must wear every costume he designs or approves for 24 hours. If I have to live with Harley Quinn dressing like... that, I at least want Lee summarily punished for it.

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[info]napalmnacey
2011-08-08 06:58 am UTC (link)
THEY TURNED HARLEY QUINN INTO A JUGGALETTE.

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[info]kaen
2011-08-08 07:06 am UTC (link)
My guess with that horrorshow is that they're trying to grab readers coming from the Arkham games. Look at her design in the next one; the comic redesign contains every aspect of it besides the tattoos, leggings, and spiked wristbands you can't see in that picture, just twisted into something entirely terrible.

I could even buy her game-model second belt being the inspiration for the undies.

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[info]cmdr_zoom
2011-08-08 06:00 pm UTC (link)
... that makes sense, I suppose, but I still don't get WHY the redesign in either medium?!

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[info]nursewretched
2011-08-09 01:28 am UTC (link)
I actually kinda like that. I'm not wild about the top, but the rest isn't too bad.

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[info]chibikaijuu
2011-08-14 04:37 am UTC (link)
Except that she still looks like Harley there - I don't know who the hell that is in that illustration. (Also, I'm very happy she now has pants, which is an improvement over the I'm-not-really-sure-you-could-call-this-a-skirt from the first game.)

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[info]bemysty
2011-08-09 03:16 am UTC (link)
...I can't even find the proper words to describe the utter RAGE I just fell into.

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