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kaen ([info]kaen) wrote in [info]unfunny_fandom,
@ 2011-08-06 02:15:00


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Batgirl at the SDCC
I'm surprised nobody's posted about this one yet.

San Diego Comic Con happened a couple of weeks back, and of course people from DC comics were talking about their series and trying to drum up support for the universe-wide reboot that will be happening next month.

As you'd probably guess, given that they're wiping out the decades long histories of many beloved characters, a lot of people are unhappy with them for a lot of reasons, but the events of this post are focused on one specific issue; people have been noticing that a lot of women seem to be vanishing as part of the reboot. Not just in the pages of the comics, but in real life as well. Women have gone from making up 12% of their creator base (not exactly a great number to begin with) to under 2%. Which'd be three, total.

Kyrax2 (who you'll see referred to as 'Batgirl' a lot in articles in reference to the costume she was wearing) was attending SDCC with her daughter and asked questions about these issues at a few of the DC panels. She was met with evasive and dismissive answers from the panelists and increasing hostility from the crowds of fans. DC has podcasts available of the panels, check the New 52 and Justice League panels on the 22nd and New 52 again on the 23rd. (And to that I'll add a quote from a comment on comicbookGRRL; "Newly-infamous ‘Batgirl’ and I were talking about the audio recording last night, and how it doesn’t quite get the whole experience across. You had to see Didio standing on his toes, leaning over a podium from atop a raised stage, looming over a 4′ 10” woman. His body language was all about bullying and belittlement. When he decided things were done and she shouldn’t talk anymore, he rocked back from the podium and looked away.")

Among other things Dan Didio, the man in charge at DC, said that women should submit their work if they want to be represented at DC, failing to mention that DC doesn't accept unsolicited submissions, (whoops! That one was actually Grant Morrison, though Didio agreed with the answer) and claimed that he'd put together the best team possible for the New 52 which (you'll see in the links to come) many people find hard to believe when that team includes people like Rob Liefeld while artists like Amanda Conner (who had already worked for the company) were nowhere to be seen.

And then several of the major comics news sites went on the report Kyrax2 as being a big old bully picking on the poor little major comic book company. Yeah.

DC Women Kicking Ass provides links to many of those reports, and followed it up with an interview with Kyrax2 letting her tell her side of the story.

This article at Fempop, beyond talking about what happened at SDCC, gives more background about what's happening with women in DC comics for anyone who wants more background on where this is coming from, as does this one at comicbookGRRRL (who also wrote an article about it for SciFiNow).

There are two posts up at Websnark one a pretty quick mention of it and then a more in-depth reaction which has been linked around a lot.

And finally DC released a statement acknowledging the complaints although they don't apologize for being so dismissive about them to begin with.

This probably goes without saying, but expect to find plenty of sexism, mansplaining, and general not-getting-itness in the comments sections.


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[info]disdainful_soul
2011-08-08 01:44 am UTC (link)
When I heard Amanda and her husband were coming to a con here as guests I decided I should check out PG. Best. Decision. Ever. *snuggles signed PG trades*


DC and co. just need to think outside the box. You have a whole generation of manga fans and who are familiar with DC characters through the DCAU. One of the reasons the YA market is booming is because teen girls and women are more than willing to buy stuff. Just stop making the environment hostile to them, give some female characters series/stronger roles (seriously, do a "Stargirl & Cyclone have wacky awesome adventures" series and market it properly to girls the characters' ages and you'd do well) and you'd make loads on money.

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[info]evilsqueakers
2011-08-08 01:54 am UTC (link)
Amanda and Jimmy are so sweet. I was at Dragon*Con last year, and I had a low blood sugar attack all of a sudden. He let me sit in his chair until Amanda got back. It was unbelievably sweet since again, didn't know him. It made me such a huge fan. I love their PG so much. Her humor and facial expressions really work together. They're gonna be back this year, too, I believe.


You know that young Lois Lane book that never made it off the ground? That would have been PERFECT to introduce more female consumers that would become lifelong ones because they were starting young. Hell, I would have bought it. I never really watched DCAU but I know a lot of young women who did. Women who have stuck by from ages 12-21/21 and given up because they've finally had enough. People who spent a small fortune every month, every allowance, on it. As well as merchandise. People who devoted almost their entire fannish behaviors just TO DC. Never read anything else until a couple years ago when starting to see what else there was. Even loving DC women.

But hey, that's tainted money so who cares?

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[info]disdainful_soul
2011-08-08 01:58 am UTC (link)
I am looking forward to seeing more of Amanda Conner's stuff. As you said, she has great expressions. Everything is just so... fun. Which comics need more of.


I know so many people of all ages and genders that is incredibly annoyed about that Lois Lane project - they all would have snapped it up like that. It's extra sad because it would be the perfect gateway for so many new customers.

But apparently even our money has cooties.

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[info]evilsqueakers
2011-08-08 02:09 am UTC (link)
I really am, too. I wish she was still doing PG and Terra, like a PG & Terra monthly. I'd plunk down a ton of cash to see it. As you say, it's humor and there's so much Sopranos-lite in the comics. I loved the fun of their work on both.

I'm not surprised that people were disappointed. It made Lois independent of Clark, in that she was all of her own but still intelligent. She earned those accolades on her own, without being his sidekick. I like that. It's a good message for young girls, when the teenage dating scenes gets more than a little treacherous. It's like the universe gave the heads of comics sense and they just forgot how to use it.


Of course it has cooties! It's all...girly! Didn't you see Alfalfa's "no girls allowed" sign hanging on the door?

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[info]disdainful_soul
2011-08-08 02:15 am UTC (link)
All of this has been making me think of the Stonecutters episode of the Simpsons. "No Girls" means "one is fine, but no more than that". :/

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[info]evilsqueakers
2011-08-08 02:17 am UTC (link)
I really think it's a zero-sum game. Because if it gets more than zero, we uppity women have expectations. And the good old boys don't allow that.

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[info]disdainful_soul
2011-08-08 02:19 am UTC (link)
I was just thinking of Gail Simone. The guys think she's okay so seriously why are us girls complaining? There is a girl on the staff! (Nothing meant about GS just that the guys toss her out as THE example, as in the panels :/)

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[info]evilsqueakers
2011-08-08 02:22 am UTC (link)
Yeah, but they've effectively cut her voice off by playing the power trip game. So she really has no say. Of course, DC does that anyway. You better always toe the line or you're out.

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[info]disdainful_soul
2011-08-08 02:23 am UTC (link)
Oh, definitely.


Fortunately there are other companies more than willing to work with and for women, and are excited about doing so.

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[info]evilsqueakers
2011-08-08 02:27 am UTC (link)
And I'm glad there are studios and companies more than willing. Because women are huge number of the population and oddly enough, we like spending money on fandom hobbies. For example, I wanted to get into DC comics years ago, but it's impossible because there's always an event/undoing event going on.

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[info]chibikaijuu
2011-08-14 04:42 am UTC (link)
I've never really cared for Superman/the Superman mythos overall, but I would have read the fuck out of that Lois Lane, Girl Reporter series, and probably handed a copy to every girl I know.

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[info]full_metal_ox
2011-08-09 12:17 am UTC (link)
You have a whole generation of manga fans and who are familiar with DC characters through the DCAU. One of the reasons the YA market is booming is because teen girls and women are more than willing to buy stuff. Just stop making the environment hostile to them, give some female characters series/stronger roles (seriously, do a "Stargirl & Cyclone have wacky awesome adventures" series and market it properly to girls the characters' ages and you'd do well) and you'd make loads on money.

It occurs to me that DC's Enchantress, as characterized and costumed in the Silver Age, would be a natural to reinvent as a manga-style Magical Girl.

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