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kaen ([info]kaen) wrote in [info]unfunny_fandom,
@ 2011-08-06 02:15:00


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Batgirl at the SDCC
I'm surprised nobody's posted about this one yet.

San Diego Comic Con happened a couple of weeks back, and of course people from DC comics were talking about their series and trying to drum up support for the universe-wide reboot that will be happening next month.

As you'd probably guess, given that they're wiping out the decades long histories of many beloved characters, a lot of people are unhappy with them for a lot of reasons, but the events of this post are focused on one specific issue; people have been noticing that a lot of women seem to be vanishing as part of the reboot. Not just in the pages of the comics, but in real life as well. Women have gone from making up 12% of their creator base (not exactly a great number to begin with) to under 2%. Which'd be three, total.

Kyrax2 (who you'll see referred to as 'Batgirl' a lot in articles in reference to the costume she was wearing) was attending SDCC with her daughter and asked questions about these issues at a few of the DC panels. She was met with evasive and dismissive answers from the panelists and increasing hostility from the crowds of fans. DC has podcasts available of the panels, check the New 52 and Justice League panels on the 22nd and New 52 again on the 23rd. (And to that I'll add a quote from a comment on comicbookGRRL; "Newly-infamous ‘Batgirl’ and I were talking about the audio recording last night, and how it doesn’t quite get the whole experience across. You had to see Didio standing on his toes, leaning over a podium from atop a raised stage, looming over a 4′ 10” woman. His body language was all about bullying and belittlement. When he decided things were done and she shouldn’t talk anymore, he rocked back from the podium and looked away.")

Among other things Dan Didio, the man in charge at DC, said that women should submit their work if they want to be represented at DC, failing to mention that DC doesn't accept unsolicited submissions, (whoops! That one was actually Grant Morrison, though Didio agreed with the answer) and claimed that he'd put together the best team possible for the New 52 which (you'll see in the links to come) many people find hard to believe when that team includes people like Rob Liefeld while artists like Amanda Conner (who had already worked for the company) were nowhere to be seen.

And then several of the major comics news sites went on the report Kyrax2 as being a big old bully picking on the poor little major comic book company. Yeah.

DC Women Kicking Ass provides links to many of those reports, and followed it up with an interview with Kyrax2 letting her tell her side of the story.

This article at Fempop, beyond talking about what happened at SDCC, gives more background about what's happening with women in DC comics for anyone who wants more background on where this is coming from, as does this one at comicbookGRRRL (who also wrote an article about it for SciFiNow).

There are two posts up at Websnark one a pretty quick mention of it and then a more in-depth reaction which has been linked around a lot.

And finally DC released a statement acknowledging the complaints although they don't apologize for being so dismissive about them to begin with.

This probably goes without saying, but expect to find plenty of sexism, mansplaining, and general not-getting-itness in the comments sections.


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[info]napalmnacey
2011-08-08 07:10 am UTC (link)
Aaand this is why I shy away from mainstream comics. That and the money. I've had to draw and write the comic characters I wanted to see myself. It's sad, cause I'm passionate about comics and think it's an incredible art form. I just feel entirely shut out of the genre due to my gender.

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[info]evilsqueakers
2011-08-08 07:41 am UTC (link)
This mess has caused me to sign up to help people on Kickstart get comics out because there's such a group of talent that ISN'T just the good ol' boys club.

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[info]napalmnacey
2011-08-08 07:47 am UTC (link)
I keep hearing about Kickstart. What is it?

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[info]evilsqueakers
2011-08-08 08:10 am UTC (link)
Basically, you pledge money (like $1 is the lowest, which I can do a lot with) to a project that's listed that needs a set amount with explanation. Or alternately, you put your project up and ask for the capital needed. A lot of indie artists are up, and some have some really cool projects. A map of the Lower 48 made out of iron, for instance. Sometimes you can make well over what you need, sometimes you don't make any. The money doesn't come to you until you meet your reserve at a timeline you've put up.

It's not just unknowns, either. Emma Caulfield and Jimmy Palmiotti both have/had projects that I noticed when looking around. The Heroic anthology being discussed here raised over $100k when only needing 25k. Emma made $16k+ when needing 7k. Some projects raised like 700%. Most of the people offer rewards.

Tonight I pledged 21 bucks on *counts* 8 projects. Movies and comics. And I chose to not get a reward because those don't matter to me, except the personalized sketch of one, because well, sketch to frame. (Artwork!) The frying pan was the one I loved the most, though. Just. Southern. Frying pan. Map!

The money comes from your Amazon file, so you don't have put your actual info up and it's not charged until the deadline is up.

Main page.

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[info]napalmnacey
2011-08-08 08:27 am UTC (link)
Yeah, but I doubt anyone would want to put the money up for me. See, basically I need a devoted machine to making comics. The only one I have right now is used for games AND is used by most of the house, and is in the loudest, most distracty part of the house, and since I likely have ADD (I'm getting tested), this is a problem. The laptop I'm using now gives up and shuts down when it overheats. Guess when it overheats? That's right, when I'm using my tablet and Photoshop.

So my solution is setting up a studio in my room. I have the space, and I have the raw talent. What I don't have is the equipment I need: a base model iMac and a drawing table. I was aiming to save up for a Cintiq as well, as I tend to work quicker pen-to-screen rather than the other way around.

But see, these are things I doubt people would really want to help me out with. I painted five paintings that I wanted to sell to raise the money, but nobody bought them. They're sitting up in our attic. I'd love to *sell* pieces to raise money, but I just don't have the interest.

Is it the sort of website where I could make something like that work? I really want to start my comic label properly, I have scripts and character files and splash art and designs, I just need the equipment.

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[info]evilsqueakers
2011-08-08 08:37 am UTC (link)
That I don't know, about the is it this sort of website for the material, since I've been a part of it for like 2 hours. But I can understand about needing the equipment. I have two Macs, which I love and use for different purposes (every day versus graphics), but I had to buy a Windows computer for school since I'll be taking classes that I'll need one. (I was not pleased, even if was a cheap laptop, cause dude, money don't grow on backyard trees.) And Macs are so damn expensive.

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[info]napalmnacey
2011-08-08 08:40 am UTC (link)
Ugh, they are, it fucking sucks. On the upside, once you have one, you have a good machine that'll last you some time. My brother got his a few years ago and it's still good.

Well, I'll definitely check the website out and see what it's about. Thanks for explaining it for me!

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[info]evilsqueakers
2011-08-08 08:44 am UTC (link)
I've had my MBP since 2008 and it keeps on ticking, even with no memory or harddrive upgrade...yet. (I used my plastic white one to figure out how to make that work about two weeks ago. I felt like Elle Woods squealing when I did it.) My poor white one is like chipped all to hell and it keeps on ticking. It's kinda awesome.

You should see and maybe Google'll answer the question if the FAQ doesn't? And you're welcome. I'm just glad I can contribute to people, ya know?

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[info]innervoice_chan
2011-08-08 02:38 pm UTC (link)
You could try offering small art commissions at Fiverr.com. Basically you say what you're willing to do for the set amount of $5, and people take you up on your offer.

I haven't had many takers for my art stuff on Fiverr yet (though I've had takers for some other non-art-related offers), but I know that several artists are having some degree of success at making money there.

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[info]white_tean
2011-08-08 03:12 pm UTC (link)
I think a more tempting project to do for Kickstart would be do all the pencils for your comic, then put it up and make the project about getting the money to have either the supplies yourself to ink it, colour it, print it, distribute library copies etc., or to hire some help to do that (cheaper than buying a Cintiq yourself).

At the moment it's too speculative - if you got it done up to the pencils (or even just a script and storyboards) people would at least be able to see if it's something they'd be interested in seeing in print (or online, whatever it is).

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[info]airawyn
2011-08-08 07:54 pm UTC (link)
You could try selling the paintings on Etsy.com.

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[info]innervoice_chan
2011-08-08 02:34 pm UTC (link)
Waitasecond, Kickstarter donations use Amazon Payments? SWEET. Maybe I can pledge to stuff after all. Thanks for this information, I shall go investigate.

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[info]evilsqueakers
2011-08-08 02:39 pm UTC (link)
Yep! I got an email that one thing I pledged didn't make the amount and so I wouldn't be charged. It's kinda nifty.

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