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kaen ([info]kaen) wrote in [info]unfunny_fandom,
@ 2011-08-06 02:15:00


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Batgirl at the SDCC
I'm surprised nobody's posted about this one yet.

San Diego Comic Con happened a couple of weeks back, and of course people from DC comics were talking about their series and trying to drum up support for the universe-wide reboot that will be happening next month.

As you'd probably guess, given that they're wiping out the decades long histories of many beloved characters, a lot of people are unhappy with them for a lot of reasons, but the events of this post are focused on one specific issue; people have been noticing that a lot of women seem to be vanishing as part of the reboot. Not just in the pages of the comics, but in real life as well. Women have gone from making up 12% of their creator base (not exactly a great number to begin with) to under 2%. Which'd be three, total.

Kyrax2 (who you'll see referred to as 'Batgirl' a lot in articles in reference to the costume she was wearing) was attending SDCC with her daughter and asked questions about these issues at a few of the DC panels. She was met with evasive and dismissive answers from the panelists and increasing hostility from the crowds of fans. DC has podcasts available of the panels, check the New 52 and Justice League panels on the 22nd and New 52 again on the 23rd. (And to that I'll add a quote from a comment on comicbookGRRL; "Newly-infamous ‘Batgirl’ and I were talking about the audio recording last night, and how it doesn’t quite get the whole experience across. You had to see Didio standing on his toes, leaning over a podium from atop a raised stage, looming over a 4′ 10” woman. His body language was all about bullying and belittlement. When he decided things were done and she shouldn’t talk anymore, he rocked back from the podium and looked away.")

Among other things Dan Didio, the man in charge at DC, said that women should submit their work if they want to be represented at DC, failing to mention that DC doesn't accept unsolicited submissions, (whoops! That one was actually Grant Morrison, though Didio agreed with the answer) and claimed that he'd put together the best team possible for the New 52 which (you'll see in the links to come) many people find hard to believe when that team includes people like Rob Liefeld while artists like Amanda Conner (who had already worked for the company) were nowhere to be seen.

And then several of the major comics news sites went on the report Kyrax2 as being a big old bully picking on the poor little major comic book company. Yeah.

DC Women Kicking Ass provides links to many of those reports, and followed it up with an interview with Kyrax2 letting her tell her side of the story.

This article at Fempop, beyond talking about what happened at SDCC, gives more background about what's happening with women in DC comics for anyone who wants more background on where this is coming from, as does this one at comicbookGRRRL (who also wrote an article about it for SciFiNow).

There are two posts up at Websnark one a pretty quick mention of it and then a more in-depth reaction which has been linked around a lot.

And finally DC released a statement acknowledging the complaints although they don't apologize for being so dismissive about them to begin with.

This probably goes without saying, but expect to find plenty of sexism, mansplaining, and general not-getting-itness in the comments sections.


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[info]ereshkigal
2011-08-08 10:51 am UTC (link)
LOL! Well, I'd kinda fit into the people they were trying to lure back then (other than being a woman anyway). Though, I was buying their comics back in the 80s too. I can tell you right now, they're not going to get any of those people back. The Death of Superman and Nightfall were huge, news coverage and everything. They were also incredibly boring. We knew from the getgo that neither of those would last (unlike what they did with poor Supergirl). They also included new, forgettable villains doing all the dirty work. The reason people remember what happened with Barbara Gordon and Jason Todd? Because it was the Joker. Nobody gives a shit about Bane and Doomsday.

That's not to say they didn't have some good stories in the 90s. Unfortunately, those stories tended to get left in the dust thanks to megacrossovers, changing writers, etc. And then when they started the reboot crap it was such horrible cognitive dissonance in the regular books. Legion of Super-Heroes in particular got shit on so bad. Asides from having to come up with a new character to replace Supergirl and having to redo Mon-El's backstory (neither of them really worked, btw), they completely dropped all of their storylines when Zero Hour happened and remade the entire thing from the ground up. It was AWFUL. And I say this even with liking how the reboot went. It was still a horrible breakoff from one interesting storyline to the next.

And then there was Wonder Woman. Oh man, Wonder Woman. They'd already rebooted her earlier, and yet they still managed to make the transition really mindboggling. The Greek Gods had featured heavily in that particular reboot and then a megacrossover comes along and suddenly she'd never dealt with them before. What the hell? It made absolutely no sense.

And the Titans. Dear god, what they did with the Titans. Considering the bullshit they kept pulling with Raven, Starfire and Donna, they're lucky I didn't drop them sooner. But between killing off half the team (what they did with Jericho was completely unforgivable imo) and the Team Titans fiasco (which was so damn stupid), I dropped it before I even gave up on DC. It was just awful.

Why the hell would people keep reading after DC pulls crap like that? Why in god's name would yet another reboot make them want to come back? Reboots have always been part of the fucking problem. You're reading an interesting storyline and then BAM!, here come another reboot to destroy it. Yeah, no. There are much better things to spend my money on. And they make sense, unlike DC's crap.

... Wow, I can really get my rant on with this stuff. And I didn't even get into my complete disdain with what they did with Robin and Spoiler. If I ever open that can of worms I may never stop.

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