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Pyrate Jenni (pyratejenni) wrote in unfunny_fandom,
@ 2011-08-18 00:55:00

Neo_prodigy silences a feminist critic
Over at LJ's inclusive_geeks community, korinna posts about neo_prodigy's misogyny, not only in his personal posts, but in his How To Write Slash posts and his published novel. She includes a large document of examples of his misogyny from the latter. Tee document can be downloaded here.

Why do you have to download it?

Because neo_prodigy responded like all good professionals to criticism and had LJ suspend the post, and when it was transferred to Wordpress, had that suspended as well..

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seiberwing
2011-08-18 07:41 pm UTC (link)

Philosopher my ass. I hate the cliche of showing how intelligent and well-read your character is by name-dropping important books the author's probably never cracked (or in this case, couldn't be bothered to actually name). I've got the complete works of Freud on my bookshelf, but I bought them for a class and never read them all the way through. That doesn't mean I am a psychology master. It just means I own books.

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	phosfate 2011-08-18 08:05 pm UTC (link)
	"Nice books!" "Thanks. I bought them in a pile off Etsy. I liked the vintage twine." (Reply to this)(Parent)

	frequentmouse 2011-08-18 08:07 pm UTC (link)
	Reading all of Freud's major works is probably the least useful thing I've ever done. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	seiberwing 2011-08-18 10:38 pm UTC (link)
	It was supposed to be "perspectives in social sciences". So we got Marxism, Rational Choice, some other stuff mostly directed at the historians and anthropologists, then they remember there's psychologists in the crew and throw in Psychoanalysis because hey it's not like nobody's used that in fifty years. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

mmanurere
2011-08-18 11:11 pm UTC (link)

To be fair, while Freud is crap as psychology (compared to developments since), he's great as a case study in "making shit up without noticing or have other people noticing you're making shit up because it fits enough of their preconceived notions and you tie it all together into a Great Big Important Narrative." Freud will probably be relevant in literature and cultural-studies classes long after his only interest to psychology people is as a historical figure.

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	cmdr_zoom 2011-08-18 11:16 pm UTC (link)
	Now I'm imagining a portrait of him next to a phrenology map and an explanation of the four humours. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

seiberwing, 2011-08-19 01:22 am UTC

cmdr_zoom, 2011-08-19 06:19 pm UTC

innervoice_chan
2011-08-19 09:43 am UTC (link)

The current problem with Freud and literature or cultural-studies classes is that a lot of the time, those classes still take him DEAD SERIOUSLY and take his word about penis envy or whatever as GOSPEL. I'm talking "a Freudian analysis of XYZ Story" with no one pointing out that "hey, you know how you think you're being all scientific and tying together the fields of literature and psychology? Well, no one in psychology takes Freud terribly seriously anymore..."

I will be SO GLAD if I live to see the day when literature classes study Freud as a deeply flawed text in a historical milieu, instead of taking him at his word and then using him to analyze other stuff.

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mmanurere, 2011-08-19 05:35 pm UTC

cleolinda, 2011-08-20 12:46 am UTC

oxfordcomma, 2011-08-30 05:29 am UTC

	frequentmouse 2011-08-18 11:45 pm UTC (link)
	Long ago in the dawning days of the Nixon administration I was in an Evergreen program called "Freud and Jung an Approach to the Humanities" wherein we spent the first quarter neatly divided between reading Freud and then Jung. It was more than a little mind-numbing. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	seiberwing 2011-08-19 12:03 am UTC (link)
	At least Jung's got some interesting stuff in there. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	napalmnacey 2011-08-19 09:17 am UTC (link)
	I was seeing a psychiatrist to get help with my post-sexual assault trauma. He actually brought out the Freud. And I'm not talking the obscure stuff. He ASKED ME ABOUT MY RELATIONSHIP WITH MY FATHER. You know, scant weeks after I was ASSAULTED. So I have a huge hate-on for Freud now. It's probably irrational but I can't help it. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	napalmnacey 2011-08-19 09:19 am UTC (link)
	I should add that my father had nothing to do with my assault. I was assaulted by some dude I knew in my social circle. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sadisticferret 2011-08-19 05:48 pm UTC (link)
	Wow, that is some serious bullshit, right there (on his part, not yours, that is). I hope you found a decent psychiatrist after that. hugs (Reply to this)(Parent)

	tofuknight 2011-08-31 05:31 pm UTC (link)
	Holy shit. I'm sorry that happened to you, both the assault and the asshole psychiatrist. I had a psychiatrist once tell me that I'm lesbian because I was sexually abused as a child. When I said "excuse me?" he said "answer the question". This was at the first visit. D: I have since found a psychiatrist who is not an asshole, but ew.... (Reply to this)(Parent)

female_fanboy
2011-08-21 05:42 pm UTC (link)

Ah, Freud. I swear, sometimes I wonder if my psych major's only use* is as a license to go "YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!" when a show tries to be smart by bringing up Freud's theories.

*Alternative uses include explaining the difference (or rather, not-difference) between sociopathy and psychopathy, correcting people's use of the word "psychotic," and playing armchair psychology with fictional characters. Watching Durarara!! is so much more fun when you realize Shizuo has Intermittent Explosive Disorder and Izaya's a case study in why psychology researchers have to run every study by an ethics board nowadays.

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	full_metal_ox 2011-08-19 01:11 am UTC (link)
	I hate the cliche of showing how intelligent and well-read your character is by name-dropping important books the author's probably never cracked (or in this case, couldn't be bothered to actually name). And--to be expected of authors themselves unread in the subjects in question-- almost invariably dogpaddling within the Small Reference Pool. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	cleolinda 2011-08-19 01:59 am UTC (link)
	Is this related to the "here are my favorite books; appparently I never read anything outside of high school English" thing? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	seiberwing 2011-08-19 02:18 am UTC (link)
	"I'm in high school and not very interested in education but Dracula is my favorite book!" Yeah, the abridged edition, maybe. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

sandglass, 2011-08-19 02:28 am UTC

seiberwing, 2011-08-19 02:28 am UTC

cleolinda, 2011-08-20 12:50 am UTC

phosfate, 2011-08-19 05:48 am UTC

brennalarose, 2011-08-30 12:16 pm UTC

full_metal_ox
2011-08-20 12:05 am UTC (link)

Is this related to the "here are my favorite books; appparently I never read anything outside of high school English" thing?

That's actually not the worst-case scenario--it could be born of a "I snoozed through high-school English and based my reports on Cliff's Notes, but there are certain works that I keep seeing referenced in the media, so why not use those, since they're obviously the gold standard?" thing. Therefore, psychology equals Freud (perhaps Jung if you want to establish that your character is learned enough to have two whole points of reference); classical music equals Beethoven; painting equals the Mona Lisa and Picasso; literature equals Shakespeare.

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cleolinda, 2011-08-20 12:56 am UTC

phosfate, 2011-08-23 08:27 pm UTC

full_metal_ox, 2011-08-23 11:37 pm UTC

	silrana 2011-08-19 11:20 am UTC (link)
	You just reminded me of years ago when I first visited the house of my husband's sister and her family. I asked her about the books arranged on part of a set of shelves, because they didn't seem like her cuppa. Turns out the books were selected by a decorator for how they looked. Nobody in the house had ever opened them. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	full_metal_ox 2011-08-20 12:21 am UTC (link)
	That's why those old hardbound Reader's Digest Condensed Books are often sold by the foot--as an element of decor, without regard to their contents. (Note that the price Wonder Books demands is a steep one; thrift shops tend to carry them at three or four to the dollar.) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	silrana 2011-08-20 01:07 am UTC (link)
	Yeah, I've seen that sort of thing, but these were modern novels so that didn't leap to mind. They were selected because their dust jackets matched the colors used in the room. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

full_metal_ox, 2011-08-20 01:33 am UTC

phosfate, 2011-08-23 08:24 pm UTC

	qem_chibati 2011-08-24 02:39 pm UTC (link)
	:( liked the readers digest books when growing up. They were cheap to buy one out of the three stories was usually good. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

qem_chibati, 2011-08-24 02:41 pm UTC

	zara_zero 2011-08-26 03:29 pm UTC (link)
	My mother house- and dog-sits for rich people, and the house she's usually in when I visit seems to be made up of 80% Reader's Digest Condensed Books and the same oversized gilt-framed mirror. It makes me feel like I'm stuck in The Sims. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sandglass 2011-08-20 03:11 am UTC (link)
	You can't see it, but I am making a horrified look right now. Obviously, the most attractive books are really old, cheap, and look awful. Then they smell wonderful. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	full_metal_ox 2011-08-24 12:02 am UTC (link)
	There's a high-end designer perfume called Dzing! that contains leather and paper/cardboard notes; many users describe it as smelling of old libraries. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

sandglass, 2011-08-24 12:07 am UTC

full_metal_ox, 2011-08-24 11:37 pm UTC

brennalarose, 2011-08-30 12:21 pm UTC

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