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Qem ([info]qem_chibati) wrote in [info]unfunny_fandom,
@ 2011-11-13 18:27:00


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Professional fandom
Apologies for the lack of backstory links, I'm typing this from a phone. I think that's the only comment I've made in what I'm linking other than maybe something about php and ruby.

Otw (organization for transformative works) elections are happening right now, and boy is it wanky.

It was going to be unfunny, as you might imagine when three of the six candidates mention volunteer burn out ( http://facetofcathy.dreamwidth.org/229943.html ) in their candidate statements and one candidate Naomi Novik, founding member says she hasn't noticed.

Well if she hasn't noticed it can't be true right?

http://renay.dreamwidth.org/236955.html

Oh. Oh dear.



Add in that Sanders the candidate of colour has kept her main fandom journal for elections, and has a similar platform to the others, is told that she is too angry and has her friends getting anon comments telling them to tell her to watch her tone.

Then shit blows up when they fuck up the skins for "accessibility" when the new default is grey on grey and lots of red. 

http://branchandroot.dreamwidth.org/1255716.html#comments

Apparently this was rushed to get the archive ready for Yuletide.  Only Yuletide isn't a otw project. 


http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/22095.html?thread=99563087#t99563087


But what really has me gobsmacked is this, 
from: copracat
Let me make sure I have this correctly:

The chair of the board has been told by someone/s to stop working on a strategic plan for the organisation because she doesn't have the authority to do so. 

I'm going to make a cup of tea now. 

-----
general-jinjur (the chair in question)


more accurately, i was told that i was dishonest, conspiratorial, and secretive because:

- i asked for volunteers to help gather info and work on preliminaries in an org-wide meeting (org-wide meetings are attended by a large group of volunteers and staff, including at least one representative from every committee)
- discussed how a strategic plan was on the horizon in at least two other org-wide meetings
- hired a staffer (one who, like all our staff, was unanimously board-approved) specifically to work on stakeholder surveys (beginning of 2011 term) as part of preliminary work (staffer wound up with international outreach, as they were best to start that piece). 

by doing the above, i secretly formed a cabal without ever giving anyone a chance to participate. also, i failed to do all the work (research and write-up of a proposal for the plan for the process) myself rather than involving anyone or doing any delegation.

just to clarify. (perspectives vary, of course. this is my perspective on events. i officially don't care to argue its accuracy anymore; i have just enough energy and time left to tie up loose ends and write up documentation of the stuff i did manage to accomplish (in 2010. i'm a little behind on docs).)


http://copracat.dreamwidth.org/596794.html?thread=2267962#cmt2267962


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[info]khym_chanur
2011-11-13 09:59 pm UTC (link)
as you might imagine when three of the six candidates mention volunteer burn out

Why don't they have enough volunteers to spread out the work thinly enough? Not enough people interested in volunteering? The standard for who can volunteer are too high/strict?

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[info]notjo
2011-11-13 10:45 pm UTC (link)
My understanding from reading a lot of comments and posts about this in various places is that it's like filling a leaky bucket. lim wrote about 14 hour days of coding for months, others have written about tag-wrangling becoming a full-time job with little assistance, and apparently there are huge communication issues.

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[info]adevyish
2011-11-13 11:03 pm UTC (link)
I need comfort food just reading lim's post. I do web design, and I can tell you my #1 rule is: if less than 5% of the user base uses it, I am not. freaking. supporting. it. It can take me up to a week to fix something on IE6, never mind 70 different freaking devices. Forget anything that's not Android or iOS, forget anything running less than IE8, etc etc etc. Platform/device support is web designer hell.

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[info]ekaterinv
2011-11-13 11:21 pm UTC (link)
It looks like they found someone who would devote herself utterly to coding for them, let her work herself to the bone with no help, then threw her to the wolves. For their fanfic archive.

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[info]fools_game
2011-11-13 11:43 pm UTC (link)
I don't know lims from a pile of bricks, but the tone of desperate apology in her post is making me want to wrap her up in blankets, feed her soup, and then go punch something hard.

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(no subject) - [info]adevyish, 2011-11-14 12:48 am UTC

[info]melyanna
2011-11-15 03:14 am UTC (link)
It's the last part I can't get over. At the end of the day, AO3 is still just a fic archive, and they either let that poor person run herself ragged or pushed her to.

(For the record, I say this as someone who's spent a ridiculous amount of time writing and reading fic, and who's made meaningful relationships because of writing and reading fic. But at the end of the day, it's not worth pushing a person that hard.)

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[info]aaron_agonistes
2011-11-14 03:52 am UTC (link)
Seriously! We optimize for the past two releases of The Big 5, plus two or three smartphone layouts (depending on the product). Anyone running anything else can just deal with the fact hat not everything is going to look perfect.

70 devices?! For her sake I hope she's exaggerating.

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[info]kumquat_of_doom
2011-11-14 12:59 am UTC (link)
D: Lim.

I don't know the girl from a hole in the ground, but seriously that poor kid.

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[info]sepiamagpie
2011-11-14 01:11 am UTC (link)
Snacky had to show me a before and after before I knew what had even been changed.

I saw a bit of the shit she was getting about it. Jesus, fandom.

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[info]kumquat_of_doom
2011-11-14 01:18 am UTC (link)
She's bringing out the Welsh Mam in me: I want to sit her down on the sofa with a blanket and a cup of tea and a kitty and feed her all the cakes I can contrive.

Fandom's eternal and eternally batshit capability to be beyond unreasonable over tiny things is probably the aspect of it that I like the least.

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(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2011-11-14 01:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kumquat_of_doom, 2011-11-14 01:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2011-11-14 01:35 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kumquat_of_doom, 2011-11-14 01:40 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2011-11-14 01:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kumquat_of_doom, 2011-11-14 01:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2011-11-14 02:10 am UTC

[info]sepiamagpie
2011-11-14 01:06 am UTC (link)
Jesus! I want to send her a goddamn fruit basket. That poor woman.

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[info]platedlizard
2011-11-14 09:00 am UTC (link)
Jesus. They either should have asked for a lot less from her, or paid her if they were going to demand that much from her. That's just sick.

I want to take her to Hawaii for a week after reading that. Warm beaches ahoy!

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[info]deliciouschaos
2011-11-14 03:19 pm UTC (link)
Holy mother of god. Seventy? She does not need to apologize in any way, shape, or form. She needs to be covered in laurels.

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[info]adevyish
2011-11-13 10:54 pm UTC (link)
I have completely no involvement in this nor am following any of this at all, but I've seen mentions of tag wrangler burn-out months and months ago. The fact there even needs to be a tag wrangler position is very shortsighted, since it's a non-scaling solution. Also, with the AO3 codebase, it seems like there's only a handful of people having to write a huge laundry list of features. When the whole Delicious/AVOS thing went down, there was a lot of "Yeah let's add more bookmarking features to AO3! ... but not within the next year because we don't have any time".

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[info]lady_ganesh
2011-11-14 12:17 am UTC (link)
Well, the Archive (and OTW) should focus on things in a priority list, not just run after whatever crisis happens to show up, but that's why, say, a strategic plan is a good idea. (And that phrase usually makes me cringe.) If you don't have a plan to move ahead, you can end up in trouble.

Former tag wrangler here who came to the conclusion that the system was just unworkable (we couldn't even get people to agree that a FAQ on tags would be helpful to users, though I've heard that may have changed).

(Deleted and reposted 'cause of wonky white space.)

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[info]adevyish
2011-11-14 12:52 am UTC (link)
Oh god design by committee. Cringing right now.

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[info]lady_ganesh
2011-11-14 01:11 am UTC (link)
I don't want to speak for the whole system -- I was never particularly 'involved,' didn't attend the org-wide meetings, etc. But I will definitely say that what some people are encountering (renay's post in particular) jives with my experience.

I will say that when I resigned, I ended up emailing someone who had recently resigned because I couldn't figure out what the protocol was. (It was on the wiki. Somewhere.)

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(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2011-11-14 04:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]inkstone, 2011-11-14 02:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lady_ganesh, 2011-11-14 03:25 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]inkstone, 2011-11-14 04:14 pm UTC

[info]khym_chanur
2011-11-14 02:36 am UTC (link)
Also, with the AO3 codebase, it seems like there's only a handful of people having to write a huge laundry list of features.

So they were writing the whole thing from scratch instead of building on an existing open source content management system?

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[info]anarchicq
2011-11-14 03:41 am UTC (link)
Yes. To make it Truly Their Own.

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[info]adevyish
2011-11-14 04:16 am UTC (link)
Not really "from scratch", they're building it on top of Rails. It depends on whether you define "from scratch" as "not on top of eFiction", which really I wouldn't blame them for because PHP sucks.

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[info]khym_chanur
2011-11-14 04:21 am UTC (link)
Ruby on Rails itself isn't a content management system. They might have saved themselves some effort if they'd used one that itself was built on Rails.

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(no subject) - [info]adevyish, 2011-11-14 04:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]athersgeo, 2011-11-14 02:37 pm UTC

[info]fourthage
2011-11-14 03:30 am UTC (link)
Do you mind explaining what you mean when you say the tag wrangler position is a non-scaling solution? I'm feeling a bit slow tonight.

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[info]adevyish
2011-11-14 04:23 am UTC (link)
Theoretically the more works posted a day, the more tag wranglers they'd need. (This is assuming people don't go back and re-tag their works later.) So having tag wranglers is a great solution when they're only getting a hundred new works a day, but if they're having a few thousand* all of a sudden - let's say fest season - they'll need current tag wranglers to work overtime and/or new tag wranglers.

* I am just making this number up; I don't think this number goes higher than a few hundred right now. A few thousand is more FFN's league.

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(no subject) - [info]fourthage, 2011-11-14 04:26 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]ellensmithee, 2011-11-14 08:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]msilverstar, 2011-11-14 08:44 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]khym_chanur, 2011-11-14 09:15 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]anonyrat, 2011-11-15 10:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ldymusyc, 2011-11-15 08:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ellensmithee, 2011-11-15 08:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]anonyrat, 2011-11-15 10:51 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]anonyrat, 2011-11-15 10:55 pm UTC

[info]melannen
2011-11-14 03:55 am UTC (link)
Because they're really, really bad at using the volunteers they do have in any effective way. They're really, really bad at getting the people who say "oh, I could help a little," and finding them little bits of help they can do. AFAICT, for many of the volunteer jobs at AO3, there are only two modes, with no medium: either overwork yourself to burnout; or do a minimal amount of stuff with no clear path on how to do more and feel like you're unneeded/unappreciated. I mean, the mentoring is great, if what you want is to be well-mentored into a burnout job! Otherwise... yeah.

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[info]vassilissa
2011-11-14 06:56 am UTC (link)
there are only two modes, with no medium: either overwork yourself to burnout; or do a minimal amount of stuff with no clear path on how to do more and feel like you're unneeded/unappreciated

This. So much. I was on the systems committee, and we had two people overworking themselves to burnout, and the rest of us were doing a minimum or nothing. The two overworking people were too busy putting out fires and keeping the servers running to mentor us, which ensured that they remained overworked and we remained underused.

And I concluded "It must be me. I'm too incompetent/untalented/disabled for a career in computers [which was what I was aiming for.] I'm a liability and that's all." So I quit. Years later, I discover that there were a whole lot of people in the same situation.

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