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Qem ([info]qem_chibati) wrote in [info]unfunny_fandom,
@ 2011-11-13 18:27:00


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Professional fandom
Apologies for the lack of backstory links, I'm typing this from a phone. I think that's the only comment I've made in what I'm linking other than maybe something about php and ruby.

Otw (organization for transformative works) elections are happening right now, and boy is it wanky.

It was going to be unfunny, as you might imagine when three of the six candidates mention volunteer burn out ( http://facetofcathy.dreamwidth.org/229943.html ) in their candidate statements and one candidate Naomi Novik, founding member says she hasn't noticed.

Well if she hasn't noticed it can't be true right?

http://renay.dreamwidth.org/236955.html

Oh. Oh dear.



Add in that Sanders the candidate of colour has kept her main fandom journal for elections, and has a similar platform to the others, is told that she is too angry and has her friends getting anon comments telling them to tell her to watch her tone.

Then shit blows up when they fuck up the skins for "accessibility" when the new default is grey on grey and lots of red. 

http://branchandroot.dreamwidth.org/1255716.html#comments

Apparently this was rushed to get the archive ready for Yuletide.  Only Yuletide isn't a otw project. 


http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/22095.html?thread=99563087#t99563087


But what really has me gobsmacked is this, 
from: copracat
Let me make sure I have this correctly:

The chair of the board has been told by someone/s to stop working on a strategic plan for the organisation because she doesn't have the authority to do so. 

I'm going to make a cup of tea now. 

-----
general-jinjur (the chair in question)


more accurately, i was told that i was dishonest, conspiratorial, and secretive because:

- i asked for volunteers to help gather info and work on preliminaries in an org-wide meeting (org-wide meetings are attended by a large group of volunteers and staff, including at least one representative from every committee)
- discussed how a strategic plan was on the horizon in at least two other org-wide meetings
- hired a staffer (one who, like all our staff, was unanimously board-approved) specifically to work on stakeholder surveys (beginning of 2011 term) as part of preliminary work (staffer wound up with international outreach, as they were best to start that piece). 

by doing the above, i secretly formed a cabal without ever giving anyone a chance to participate. also, i failed to do all the work (research and write-up of a proposal for the plan for the process) myself rather than involving anyone or doing any delegation.

just to clarify. (perspectives vary, of course. this is my perspective on events. i officially don't care to argue its accuracy anymore; i have just enough energy and time left to tie up loose ends and write up documentation of the stuff i did manage to accomplish (in 2010. i'm a little behind on docs).)


http://copracat.dreamwidth.org/596794.html?thread=2267962#cmt2267962


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[info]anarchicq
2011-11-14 12:25 am UTC (link)
...meh.
I've never been a fan of OTW but I do use AO3. Frankly it's never really brought me the alleged boost of readers/comments that it's supposed to.

This might be reason enough to delete my account.

YAY MASS EXODUS!

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[info]sepiamagpie
2011-11-14 01:12 am UTC (link)
The mass... seems a little small right now.

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[info]anarchicq
2011-11-14 01:14 am UTC (link)
Yes I know. But's always the first thing threatened and someone was gonna threaten it eventually.

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[info]airawyn
2011-11-14 01:47 am UTC (link)
I never knew that it was supposed to bring a boost of readers and comments. I think the interface is excellent, both for posting and for reading (easy ebook downloads!) and that the comments I do get are more literate than the ones at ff.net (but what isn't?)

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[info]sepiamagpie
2011-11-14 02:11 am UTC (link)
I can believe someone would have tried to sell it that way. That doesn't make it a less ridiculous idea though.

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[info]rosehiptea
2011-11-14 04:18 am UTC (link)
I get the occasional reader and I hardly get comments anymore, just "kudos." (Not that I'm complaining; they're nice.)

I just put my fic there (little by little) because it's a good place to keep it.

(Though if it weren't for Yuletide I'd probably never have had an account in the first place. But in the end I did find it to be a great place to post.)

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[info]airawyn
2011-11-14 04:35 am UTC (link)
Yeah, I tend to get a lot of "kudos" and not many comments. I think that having the "kudos" option means some people don't comment when they otherwise would have. OTOH, some people who wouldn't have commented at all now leave kudos. Anyway, I'd love more comments, but getting a kudos notif makes me smile.

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[info]adevyish
2011-11-14 04:40 am UTC (link)
I dread writing comments because mine always end up so inane, but I've made a point of going back through everything on my Delicious Pinboard and kudo-ing all of the ones I know are x-posted on AO3.

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[info]ldymusyc
2011-11-14 04:41 am UTC (link)
Probably 75-80% of my hits/kudos come from guests, so I love the option being available for them. I'm pleased they have a way to let me know they read and enjoyed, comments or no. I know I've often wanted to leave a "liked this!" note on a fic from a site where I don't have an account, and I'm not going through the rigamarole of signing up just for that ONE fic. I also think the kudos system helps to get around the "oh god, if I leave a comment, is this going to start a conversation, I don't want to CHAT, I just want to say 'nice fic' a;lsakjdf" feeling that comes up a lot on LJ-type sites. Definitely pro-kudos, me.

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[info]airawyn
2011-11-14 04:45 am UTC (link)
Yeah, I love being able to leave kudos for fics I've read, because I feel so inane commenting just to say "I like this" and often don't leave comments for that reason. (Even though I KNOW fic writers would prefer SOMETHING rather than nothing.) So "kudos" is perfect for that.

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[info]cie_anthy
2011-11-14 05:41 am UTC (link)
Exactly this. I very, very rarely have anything to say other than 'Yay, this was fun to read!', so I never say anything at all. Having the kudos system is *perfect* for me as a reader.

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[info]zara_zero
2011-11-14 02:28 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, likewise. I often read late at night and I'm usually a bit tired and not really in the mood to make articulate comments, so it's either say nothing or say something inane like "Good. Like. Thanks." The kudos function helps get that point across easier.

I might comment there more if I had an actual AO3 account... but after trying for months and getting deleted from the sign up waiting list twice, I've kind of given up.

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(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2011-11-14 05:39 pm UTC
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[info]jackandahat
2011-11-15 03:04 pm UTC (link)
As a reader, I like kudos - don't have an AO3 account, don't want one, but I do occasionally get linked to fic on AO3. And it's nice to be able to tell someone "I liked this thing you wrote, thank you for posting it." without having to make a production of it. Especially since I read a lot of shorter porny pieces where there isn't all that much to *say* - "This was hot!" starts to feel redundant after the first ten people say it.

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[info]havocthecat
2011-11-15 03:20 pm UTC (link)
Personally, I'm not as fond of them, and would rather have commentary and even a conversation. On the other hand, they're not a bad thing either, and I recognize that fandom is full of compromises, and I can't always have what I want out of it. So I like kudos well enough, and I would certainly rather have kudos instead of utter silence. :)

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[info]ldymusyc
2011-11-15 08:53 pm UTC (link)
Hee. I *write* a lot of shorter porny pieces, and yeah, the "this was hot" thing can get repetitive.

With the kudos feature, I've found myself reading a LOT more >1000 pieces (drabbles, ficlets, flashfic) than I normally would, because I can drop kudos quick and move on, without feeling ridiculous for leaving a comment that's 10% or more of the fic's word count. (I rarely to never leave a comment less than a long sentence, and if I can't do that, I'll more often leave no comment at all. Personal woogieness about balance in the universe, it's weird, I digress.) Kudos have come in very awesome for me and have made me feel like I can branch out into other fandoms for reading without running the risk of getting ~*~involved~*~ via commenting and conversations.

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[info]kookaburra
2011-11-14 07:14 am UTC (link)
>I just put my fic there (little by little) because it's a good place to keep it.

Yeah, I use it as a handy place to point people to if they ask where they can find more of my stuff. I have a fic LJ, and I've tried to tag my stories appropriately on it, but it's still awkward for people to read it in that format. I've had one reader who was sooooo confused until I pointed out that by starting on the most recent entries and clicking "previous" she was reading the story backwards.

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[info]amadi
2011-11-14 10:40 am UTC (link)
I get more readers at AO3 than on Dreamwidth. Given that I mostly write in smaller (but still western mass media) fandoms, since I'm not on LJ and not spamming posting links to my fic to the multiple relevant communities for my fandoms there most of my readers who aren't amongst the < 100 people in my DW circle (and the smaller portion thereof who read fic and in my fandoms) come from people who go through AO3 by fandom or by tag and stumble upon my dreck.

If you're on LJ and in big fandoms where you can post about your fic in a main comm, a fic comm, a comm just for your pairing, maybe in a kink meme and so on, AO3 isn't going to be a significant traffic driver.

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[info]kalloway
2011-11-14 03:01 pm UTC (link)
interface is excellent, both for posting

Perhaps I'm not tenacious enough, but I've never been able to get through the initial posting process. Does it get easier? (I think I'm just intimidated by the tags and possibly doing something horribly wrong.)

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[info]amadi
2011-11-14 06:50 pm UTC (link)
This is one of the ongoing problems; there is no documentation for users on how to tag. People in the committee in charge of that have said that there was a call to create a general guideline for users on the tagging system and that was quashed on the grounds of not wanting to exert control over anyone's creativity.

Meanwhile, tag wrangling is a huge tangle of work, weeding out duplicate tags and using a system called "synning" (or maybe "syncing") to make sure that the Kirk/Spock tag, the Spock/Kirk tag, the James T. Kirk/S'chn T'gai Spock tag, James Kirk/Spock tag and everything similar are synonymous and will all pull up all of the Kirk/Spock in the archive when someone looks for them.

Because that's somehow better than providing even general guidance like "tag pairings in alpha order by character last name" or something.

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[info]ekaterinv
2011-11-14 07:23 pm UTC (link)
People in the committee in charge of that have said that there was a call to create a general guideline for users on the tagging system and that was quashed on the grounds of not wanting to exert control over anyone's creativity.

O_o

Over TAGGING? That's utterly absurd.

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[info]amadi
2011-11-14 11:54 pm UTC (link)
Completely, but this is something I've read in more than a couple of places.

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[info]airawyn
2011-11-14 07:24 pm UTC (link)
It does give you a lot of options, but I mostly pick the relevant ones and ignore the rest. Just remember to choose the relevant "archive warning" tag and anything else is up to you.

And yeah, the tag system could use more standardizing, but I usually browse through similar fics and see what tags people are using, then slap ALL of them on my fic. (Ex. Tim/Kon, Tim Drake/Kon-El, Tim Drake/Conner Kent... it gets more complicated when the characters have multiple canon names.) It's definitely not a perfect system, and there's room for improvement, but I think it's pretty good compared to what's out there.

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[info]morganmuffle
2011-11-15 04:39 pm UTC (link)
So the theory behind the tag wranglers is that you only need to use one of those tags and it's connected behind the scenes to all the others.

I mean if you're in a teeny tiny fandom it'll probably take some time for the tags to get attached to each other as synonyms but that's why there's no set format.

For example if you search the Harry Potter/Draco Malfoy relationship tag and then look at the fics on page one you get the ones that are tagged exactly that but also the Harry/Draco ones and the Draco Malfory/Harry Potter (so reversed order) ones etc.

So there's no need to enter all the different canon names of your pairing! That's what the wranglers are doing for you effectively

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[info]platedlizard
2011-11-14 06:56 am UTC (link)
I don't think it was ever supposed to get extra views... I do like the ability to download works into epub or whatever, I like being able reread some of my favorite stories from there on my Nook (and know that if the author ever pulls it I still have the story, >_> ) Although, honestly, if FF.net ever came out with a similar feature I'd probably abandon AO3.

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[info]phosfate
2011-11-14 01:29 pm UTC (link)
You first.

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