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Misato ([info]misachan) wrote in [info]unfunny_fandom,
@ 2011-12-08 00:13:00
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Stay classy, AGA!
(Warning: this wank may require an immediate infusion of baby animals wearing people clothes. This is small but virulent. Thanks to the wank_report nonnys.)

Torchwood fans have been wondering why there hasn't been any news on a new season; theories ranged from the partnership between Starz and BBC falling through to writer to producer Russell T. Davies shifting his attention to a new series entirely. Even the actors didn't seem to know what was going on.

Yesterday the story broke about why the season has been delayed, and it's for one of the worst possible reasons: RTD's partner has been diagnosed with brain cancer and he's taking time off to take care of him.

The Anti-Gwen Alliance (you may remember them from such wanks as "let's wear character bashing shirts to a con the actress playing the character is attending!" (original post now gone; wank report here, pretty wanky on its own, partial screencap here, because the internet never forgets) handles the news with their usual grace and tact.

Some, um..."highlights:"

I'm sorry for the poor guy who has cancer (and the misfortune to love RTD) but this can't be the reason why Starz does not continue.

I feel for anyone in the other guys position, especially as he now appears to be having to be nursed by Toad of Toad Hall, but I feel NO sympathy, whatsoever, for RTD. He is clutching at straws- no-one has picked up on his god awful "cucumber" thing so he needs an excuse to get back over here and mess with our TV again. I just hope to god that the BBC has the sense to barricade the doors and pretend they aren't home when he calls.....

And once again somebody else gets blamed for RTDs fail. No fans to blame left Crusty? The terrible boyfriend needs to step in as the goat? That's low.

I'm going to go write some fluff now. Or look at puppies. Maybe write about my OTP playing with puppies.

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[info]chikane
2011-12-08 03:24 pm UTC (link)
I love the tiny hint of self awareness when one whines about people possibly thinking badly of them because of what they are saying.

"Anyway, congrats everyone, you're all now official "crazy (and very nasty) Ianto people"."

You're not crazy, no. But yes, you are indeed very, very nasty. And vile.

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[info]janegraddell
2011-12-08 05:12 pm UTC (link)
Yep. If the shoe fits...

I mean, Ianto was my favorite character, too, and yeah, my interest in the show waned after he died, but I chose the radical option of, you know, not watching the fourth season just yet. These people want to destroy the entire future of Torchwood, so that everyone has to suffer because of their butthurt. And projecting all their problems onto Gwen and onto Eve Myles is revolting. (Yeah, I don't care what the comm rules say they're not supposed to do, they trash EM every chance they get and no one does anything to stop it.)

But this is a new level of vile, even for them. No-one uses brain cancer as a fucking excuse for fucking anything. They're talking about "oh, he's still got to pay the bills, no-one would leave their job to take care of their spouse." You know what? I'd be willing to believe that the last thing on RTD's mind right now is how he's going to pay his fucking bills. Or his career. He's got more important things to do than worry about the butthurt of some fans. It's both laughable and sickening that they think their anti-Torchwood crusade is even within a light-year of his thoughts right now.

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[info]chikane
2011-12-08 06:13 pm UTC (link)
Honestly, I loathe plot twists like that, and dropped the series like hot coal.

But it's not the end of the world. It's just a TV series I don't care for anymore. No reason to use brain cancer in bashing (not to mention the misogyny they keep using in general, as you say - it's telling that they aren't for Ianto, but against Gwen).

As if Gwen embodied all that's wrong somehow.

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[info]janegraddell
2011-12-08 07:05 pm UTC (link)
I know! And I get being disappointed when a series starts to suck for you and you stop watching. That's, you know, a reasonable and proportional reaction. But this, "How dare people have fun watching something I don't like! They must be the punished!" is just childish and petty.

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[info]napalmnacey
2011-12-08 11:33 pm UTC (link)
I love Gwen and I always have. I don't care if she's a Mary Sue or whatever. I know, this makes me strange in Torchwood fandom, but I don't care.

Then again, I haven't seen anything from "Children of Men" onwards, mainly because it happened at a dark point in my life and I didn't want to trigger a bad depression.

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[info]candy
2011-12-09 07:12 am UTC (link)
I'm another strange one in the fandom then. I adore Gwen and I don't care who knows it. If it keeps shitstains like that away from me? So much the better.

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[info]kita0610
2011-12-09 08:41 am UTC (link)
I love Gwen. And my husband named his sports car after her. I'd like to invite these assholes over to stand in front of it.

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[info]napalmnacey
2011-12-09 06:36 pm UTC (link)
One of their qualms with Gwen is that everybody loves her. Uhm, everybody loves Jack? I don't see the problem here?

Why is it when certain traits are applied to male characters, those characters are OMG SO AWESOME.

Then when you apply similar ones to women, they're Sues?

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[info]cmdr_zoom
2011-12-09 07:21 pm UTC (link)
You don't get it. See, Barrowman is hot, so everything Jack does and is is automatically excused.
:p

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[info]napalmnacey
2011-12-09 07:24 pm UTC (link)
Well, I find Gwen *incredibly* hot and I adore her, so maybe you're onto something.

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[info]chikane
2011-12-09 09:27 pm UTC (link)
Personally, I don't have any negative feelings for Gwen, I simply drop any canon that kills their gay characters.
As simple as that. Seen it one time too many, don't care to see it anymore.

Still, calling her a Sue cause she's liked in a canon that has Jack would be tremendously ironic (hello, Jack. Gwen's a wallflower next to Jack). And fail. As would disliking her be. I mean, it's not Gwen's fault the story ended up being written this way. Blaming her just makes no sense.

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[info]ekaterinv
2011-12-08 11:38 pm UTC (link)
I'd be willing to believe that the last thing on RTD's mind right now is how he's going to pay his fucking bills.

For him, sure. He probably has a ton of savings. Also, he and his partner live in the UK, and get medical care from the government. But the very first thing on the mind of a lot of people when they or their partner get sick is "how the fuck are we going to pay for this?"

I've been trying to get Medicaid for months to pay for surgery I need, so this is kind of at the top of my mind.

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[info]napalmnacey
2011-12-09 12:49 am UTC (link)
Oh Lord, I am so sorry to hear that. Australia's public health care is pretty shitty (I have to wait over a year to see a urologist through public care but I will eventually see one) but we have it pretty good comparatively. I know what it's like to need surgery and to not be able to get it when you need it. I can't imagine what it's like to need surgery but have no guarantee you'll ever get it. This is a totally OT message but I wanted to say that my thoughts are with you.

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[info]ekaterinv
2011-12-09 02:29 am UTC (link)
Thanks. I'm not nearly as badly off as a lot of people -- my condition isn't life-threatening, just very painful. (I guess I could extrapolate to the future and say it will decrease my lifespan, not just my quality of life, because I can't exercise, if I have to make that argument to get Medicaid.) Also, my parents can and will pay for the surgery if it comes to that, though they will have to put off retirement for significantly longer if I don't get reimbursed. And I have a great partner who takes care of everything for me, including a lot of the paperwork.

Anyway, this guy and his partner are worse off than my partner and I, because brain cancer is worse than my condition by a ton. They are "lucky" in the one respect that they have money and don't have to worry about paying for medical care, though. But I wouldn't want to trade places with them.

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[info]napalmnacey
2011-12-09 06:38 pm UTC (link)
It's best not to compare situations. I learnt that early on with my chronic condition. Everyone has their own gig to take care of, and that's your own deal and it's important to you.

But yeah, I get what you mean about being lucky, though.

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[info]janegraddell
2011-12-09 06:24 am UTC (link)
I'm very sorry. I should have been more clear that I was only making that statement because of that, that it's not just that RTD has had a successful career and can afford to take time off, but most of all that he's fortunate enough to live somewhere with free health care. Believe me, if he was a US citizen, I would certainly have qualified that more. As it was, I certainly shouldn't have sounded so dismissive of the crippling cost of medical care here, and I apologize. I'm sorry for erasing what you're going through, and I hope you succeed in getting Medicaid.

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[info]baranduyn
2011-12-08 07:03 pm UTC (link)
I am not a typical fan so I say with some pride...FUCK IANTO!

Every season at least one member of Torchwood bought the farm. There were only three left and you can't kill Captain Jack. I mean, it could have been a coin toss what done Ianto in for all I know. Either way brought much drama.

Further...what about poor Steven's death, hmmm? That was awful. I HAD NIGHTMARES.

I can see charges of crazy, misogynistic and all but what it really is seems to me to be pure, unadulterated, 100 proof entitlement. Dance entertainment people dance.

By the way if my partner had brain cancer I promise you I would only maybe be able to issue a statement. My priorities would not include coddling spoilt brats.

I don't want to know them but if they do accept my invitation to go fuck themselves with a vintage toilet brush I might watch the video.

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[info]sorchar
2011-12-08 09:47 pm UTC (link)
Uhh...okay.

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