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ilinana ([info]ilinana) wrote in [info]unfunny_fandom,
@ 2012-02-08 23:19:00
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The Arkh Project
thanks to a mouse at wank_report for the write-up
So, the Arkh Project is a game in development, made by queer POC and focusing on queer characters of color. True, they've been targeted by bigots, but that's only served to bring more attention to the project. All good, right?

Well... maybe not so much. For starters, they're ultimately trying to fundraise $100K-250K to make this game, which seems a bit... ambitious for crowd-sourcing. It gets iffier when you find out that none of the people involved seem to have actually completed a game and that they explicitly chose IndieGoGo because it wouldn't require them to refund the money if the project goes bust. To make things even worse, all they have so far is some concept art; there's no concept or design document, and they plan to farm out all the art, design, and programming to other people (as detailed on their IndieGoGo campaign). They do plan to release a design document by the end of the month, but that's about it for now.

To make things worse, there's evidence that one of the main people behind the project, dumbthingswhitepplsay, is gisei_nashi_ni:
see this chain of links: Sf_drama

plus they were the only genderqueer person working for Kinou Games, last seen being hounded off various LJ communities for being a hypocritical, abrasive jerk (greatest hits at sf_d, trigger warning for racism and rape ).

Anyway, I hate linking to tumblr, but some notable posts (+notes) include:
anti/criticism posts:
http://ardeb.tumblr.com/post/16890249680/okay-ive-been-wanting-to-make-this-post-for-a
http://ardeb.tumblr.com/post/17144475360/alright-this-is-a-more-in-depth-post-about-the
http://privilegedenyingdude.tumblr.com/post/16599011960/image-courtesy-of-a-commenter-on-themarysue-com

pro posts:
http://dumbthingswhitepplsay.tumblr.com/post/16892324535/bay-sick-all-lee
http://clitt-tastic.tumblr.com/post/17116402049/reasons-why-i-say-fuck-all-of-you-that-are-boycotting
http://alexandraerin.tumblr.com/post/17183434038/anybody-who-thinks-that-when-people-are-offering-to

You can also look at the tag though not everything is tagged, of course.

There is also a new post at SF_D, with highlights in the comment including links to gnn talking in other communities on lj about working on a game that clearly is The Arkh Project, and possible tracing of some of the character art that The Arkh Project has posted.

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[info]seiberwing
2012-02-09 05:45 am UTC (link)
Looks like GNN's MO, at the very least. Lash out at anyone who disagrees with her by accusing those who are white/straight/cis of being privileged bigots, claim any queer people/PoC who disagree with her are being servile to such bigots so their opinions are meaningless, and then...offer absolutely nothing of substance as a counterargument. Just lots of insults. Makes one wonder if she only jumped the SJ bandwagon because it gave her an excuse to be rude.

Though to pull one stupid thing out of a hundred, this is how the game's going to address mental illness.

I had this idea that only the main character and their companions can see monsters in game, because they exist outside of the realm that most people are cognizant of.

Then I wanted to do something where, because people can’t see the monsters, they sometimes get in the way trying to talk to you or yell at you while you are fighting them.

I had this vision of this complaining old lady just STANDING in front of this beast, yelling at you, refusing to move because she’s yelling at you, and the monster’s ready to kill her, and you’re ready to kill her because she refuses to get the heck out of your way.

So sometimes, to get the monster, you have to hit the civilian and hurt them because they are in the way, refuse to move, and the monster is getting ready to attack and ruin all the things.

Seems like a decent one, if my experience with MI is any good reference.

Speaking at someone with a mental illness what in the blue fuck is this metaphor supposed to mean. My illness makes me hurt people because I think there's monsters there? People assume that my emotional and mental strife must be an actual illness instead of obvious genius and so I have to hurt them? My mental illness makes me cruel and unstable enough to think that it's okay to kill people who refuse to get out of my way?

Can't even, man.

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[info]ekaterinv
2012-02-09 06:08 am UTC (link)
"It's okay to hurt innocent people if they're in my way, because I have a mental illness and therefore I am more important than them."

That's how I'm reading it, anyway. Creepy, and not in a good way.

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[info]seiberwing
2012-02-09 06:12 am UTC (link)
Doesn't sound like mental illness. Does, however, sound like GNN.

Also why do we need a massive metaphor anyway? Use the real deal. It's fine.

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[info]ekaterinv
2012-02-09 06:20 am UTC (link)
Also having one metaphor stand in for all "mental illness": skeevy.

I'd guess they need some gimmicky, insulting metaphor because they don't know how to create characters with personalities and stuff.

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[info]mmanurere
2012-02-11 01:48 am UTC (link)
Sounds like a Terry Goodkind protagonist.

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I don't get it
[info]hekima
2012-02-11 04:54 pm UTC (link)

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[info]ilinana
2012-02-09 06:10 am UTC (link)
I'm glad you brought that up because I completely forgot about it amongst all their other failures. It really makes no sense at all, and the more I try to understand it the less I do.

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[info]sandglass
2012-02-09 06:35 am UTC (link)
they exist outside of the realm that most people are cognizant of.

Mentally ill people are just so deep, they're cognizant of so much more than regular people! And it doesn't hurt them at all, in fact it helps them and everyone else! Just like a real mental illness.

It sounds kind of like when people get all jealous of depressed people because of "depressive realism", not realizing how much it sucks to see things realistically and what a benefit it is to be a little off in your estimation of everything. If that was going to be an appropriate metaphor at all and not more disability magic, not noticing the monsters would be the perfect way to protect you from them.

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[info]seiberwing
2012-02-09 06:38 am UTC (link)
Yeah. Lovecraft had it right--it's not healthy to know the true nature of the world. It's why the brain sticks in a ton of defense mechanisms and rose-tinted glasses to protect itself.

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[info]sandglass
2012-02-09 06:57 am UTC (link)
"Lovecraft had it right" is such a terrifying notion! It makes me want to jump to the defense of the world, since being depressed doesn't really make the world look awful or anything. It's just healthier to be a bit deluded about how competent you are, and all that.

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[info]cmdr_zoom
2012-02-09 03:22 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, this. IMO, there's a big difference between your previous comment and seiberwing's conclusion. o.O

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[info]ekaterinv
2012-02-09 06:46 am UTC (link)
Except "depressive realism" isn't actually realistic. When I had depression, I believed I was completely correct and finally seeing the world as it was. One of my main beliefs then was that no one loved me, no one had ever loved me, and no one would ever love me. Another was that I was a complete and utter failure and would never amount to anything or do anything right. And a third was that I'd never be happy again.

I thought I was being "realistic" with those beliefs, and that everyone else was walking around in a silly, overly-optimistic haze. I was drastically wrong.

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[info]sandglass
2012-02-09 07:02 am UTC (link)
:hugs if they're welcome: I know how you feel.

I definitely didn't mean to imply that most people are overly-optimistic, just that there's that small inclination to overestimate oneself and one's situation that is necessary to sanity. And of course, depression is a lot more than just your outlook on things. But I've heard non-depressed people lament that they don't/can't properly estimate themselves, and wish that they could have realism without depression, which positively enrages me.

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(no subject) - [info]felinephoenix, 2012-02-10 06:14 am UTC

[info]cmdr_zoom
2012-02-09 03:24 pm UTC (link)
This, exactly.

I've also read a lot of portrayals of paranoia - accuracy is suspect, of course - where the paranoid is convinced that they're seeing things more clearly than everyone else who doesn't notice the connections.

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[info]enrythe8th
2012-02-15 12:17 am UTC (link)
This exactly. Before I got on medication and started going to therapy, I was entirely convinced that I was doomed to failure and was just too scared of what my parents would say if I gave up. I wouldn't call that "realistic" by any stretch.

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[info]snacky
2012-02-10 12:06 am UTC (link)
It sounds kind of like when people get all jealous of depressed people because of "depressive realism", not realizing how much it sucks to see things realistically

This is such an odd statement to me. Non-depressed people are "all jealous" of depressed people, because depressed people see things "realistically?" Where does this happen?

I mean, I know when I'm depressed, I'm certainly not seeing things realistically.

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[info]seiberwing
2012-02-09 02:21 pm UTC (link)
I am informed the proper pronoun is 'they', not 'her', please find and replace appropriately.

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[info]phosfate
2012-02-09 04:07 pm UTC (link)
Speaking at someone with a mental illness what in the blue fuck is this metaphor supposed to mean.

We aren't ill, we are special demon-fighting snowflakes and other people best get out of the way?

Yeah, I got nuthin'.

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[info]sepiamagpie
2012-02-09 08:26 pm UTC (link)
It was either a demon or the neighbour's dog I took out earlier.

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[info]rosehiptea
2012-02-09 10:16 pm UTC (link)
Eddie? Is that you?

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[info]blue_penguin
2012-02-10 05:38 am UTC (link)
You know, when my depression is acting up I'd make a fucking terrible demon fighter. There I'd be, sitting in my room in my pajamas in the middle of the day watching Criminal Minds, and I'd glance out the window and notice that some invisible demon was about to snack on an old lady.

And I'd think, well, I guess maybe I should do something about that seeing as I have these special demon-fighting powers and all. But then I'd go, ugh, no, what is even the point, I would just fuck everything up and make it all worse. Hey, self, remember the time when you tried to fight a demon and instead you fucked everything up and made it all worse? Oh wait, that was every time. God, what a worthless waste of space I am, I can't even fight demons right. Who thought it was a good idea to give me this power? Did they not realize that I am fucking incompetent at everything and should never have made it to adulthood?

Several paragraphs of negativity later, I would look out the window and notice that the demon had already devoured the old lady and gone its merry way, leaving trampled apartment buildings and screaming college students in its wake. And then I'd have something new to beat myself up about.

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[info]frenzy
2012-02-13 12:12 am UTC (link)
It's funny because it is so, so true.

"And on the off chance that I did do it right, I'd just make everyone think I was competent sometimes, and then I'd only disappoint them later. Wait a minute, that is a completely illogical thing to think. What the hell is wrong with me? Oh, right, everything."

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[info]ekaterinv
2012-02-13 01:43 am UTC (link)
"Why can't I stop beating myself up? I'm so stupid, hating myself is making it impossible for me to do anything. God, stop it, me. Now I'm beating myself up for beating myself up. I am such a worthless idiot."

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(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2012-02-14 06:29 am UTC

[info]enrythe8th
2012-02-15 12:19 am UTC (link)
Oh dear, that's pinpoint accuracy you have there. XD

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[info]staroverthebay
2012-02-10 03:08 pm UTC (link)
The ironic thing to me is that that sounds like an interesting and unique gaming mechanic (not being much of a gamer myself, I've never encountered that sort of thing) that will force the player to be logical and tactical, not a button-masher (especially if there is a penalty for harming the civilian, even if you have no choice due to the situation at the time)

However, that's ALL it is, a gaming mechanic. It's NOT a metaphor at all. Or at least it shouldn't be.

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