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TW: Transphobia, ableism, misogyny, suicide, bullying/harrassment, general vileness

hobosocks
2012-02-27 12:52 am UTC (link)

(That is an awful lot of trigger warnings, and I'm still paranoid I forgot some. These people are vile.)

Don't forget the hate mail campaign they unleashed against a fanartist who spoke out against the ableist portrayal! Never you mind how one random artist on the internet could possibly influence a multimillion dollar company to change their minds about anything, she was totally behind it all! It's true because a stranger on the internet told me!

But they are totally loving and tolerant and just the poor victims here, you guys! It was those meany mean faces who complained who are the horrible people!

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	mad_teacup 2012-02-27 01:02 am UTC (link)
	Holy ever-loving shit the trans-hate in the last image. I'm covering my eyes because this makes me feel so bad. Holy shit forever. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

hobosocks
2012-02-27 02:51 am UTC (link)

Yeah, I must have stared slack-jawed at that comment for a good five minutes trying to wrap my mind around how anybody could be that hateful and awful and just... disgusting. I can't even.

Also, she isn't trans* in the first place, so even on top of the normal reaction of, "That is vile. WTF, why would you even say that?" there's another layer of "WTF? Why would you even say that?" It's like a horrid, putrefying onion of disgusted confusion.

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	mad_teacup 2012-02-27 03:04 am UTC (link)
	I'm FtM but not transitioning (yet); I just want to claw my own skin off in horror at reading that. Where did they get the idea she is? This is so weird and WTF? Besides awful. Besides the most fucking awful shit ever. I can't. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

ekaterinv
2012-02-27 03:33 am UTC (link)

I'm not sure, but I don't think that the "you're not a real woman" asshole necessarily thinks the letter-writer is trans. The asshole is gender-policing (which is inherently transphobic, of course, as well as misogynistic, homophobic, and totally fucked-up). The letter-writer stood up for what she believed in, therefore she's not a "real woman" and deserves to be raped.

That kind of thing has been directed at me plenty, from people who know that I am a cisgendered heterosexual woman. A woman who doesn't roll over and play dead for the boys isn't a "real woman", according to the gender police. Therefore you can call her anything and do anything you want to her.

There may be some further story that I'm missing behind this -- maybe that vile commenter did get the impression that the letter-writer was transgendered, somehow. But people like that never base their insults on facts, only on their ideals of what men and women "really" are. Anyone who doesn't conform to those ideals in every respect challenges the gender cop's worldview and must be pounded into dust.

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chikane
2012-02-27 08:41 am UTC (link)

There is something you are missing, yes.

They do think she is trans. The reason for this is that their target is an ally, who put the gender as "other".

It's not gender policing so much as plain transphobia. Typical brony stuff. They absolutely love being transphobic assholes even more than they love their homophobia (see the dude who, at other time, is arguing that homophobia is justified because homosexuals oppress and attack heterosexuals...apparently...).

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	hobosocks 2012-02-27 04:00 am UTC (link)
	It really is the most awful thing ever. Have some adorable puppies instead. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	sepiamagpie 2012-02-27 07:25 am UTC (link)
	Your sacrifice has saved me from looking, senor. Thank you. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	chikane 2012-02-27 08:51 am UTC (link)
	Sorry you had to read that. These bronies really are absolutely vile. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: TW: Transphobia, ableism, misogyny, suicide, bullying/harrassment, general vileness hafl 2012-02-27 03:26 am UTC (link)
	So, is 4 in the morning too early to get completely drunk, just so I can forget this for a while? Because fuck this is horrible. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: TW: Transphobia, ableism, misogyny, suicide, bullying/harrassment, general vileness varkias 2012-02-27 03:48 am UTC (link)
	Go for it, man. I know I wish I could, but I have nothing to drink just now. (Reply to this)(Parent)

Re: TW: Transphobia, ableism, misogyny, suicide, bullying/harrassment, general vileness

varkias
2012-02-27 03:47 am UTC (link)

Holy fuck, the trans-hate is horrific. D: I am nearly as sickened by jellywillreturn's signature in the next to last image, though. You support homophobia...because of heterophobes? No, no there are no so-called heterophobic people who are 'ten times more psychotic and violent' than homophobes. People who are straight do not have to worry about having hate crimes committed against them just because they are heterosexual, what in the ever living hell.

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	Re: TW: Transphobia, ableism, misogyny, suicide, bullying/harrassment, general vileness hobosocks 2012-02-27 04:05 am UTC (link)
	God, there is so much wrong with everything in those caps that I must have overlooked that. It's so stupid it might be funny, except for the part where it's terrible. Ugh. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: TW: Transphobia, ableism, misogyny, suicide, bullying/harrassment, general vileness chikane 2012-02-27 09:06 am UTC (link)
	That's pretty typical for this group, actually. Most of them are incredibly homophobic, and seem to believe that disagreement with homophobia is a vicious, violent attack on their FREE SPEEEEEEEEECHHHHHH (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: TW: Transphobia, ableism, misogyny, suicide, bullying/harrassment, general vileness sepiamagpie 2012-02-27 09:50 am UTC (link)
	Hm, yes. I actually had the 'discussion' with someone the other day about how no, it's not infringing on peoples rights to want them to stop using 'fag' casually. She seemed to think it was gonna hurt their feelings not to be hateful. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: TW: Transphobia, ableism, misogyny, suicide, bullying/harrassment, general vileness hafl 2012-02-27 03:19 pm UTC (link)
	What are the chances that they add the old gem of "I'm not homophobic, since I'm not afraid of gays. I just want them to die/keep their deviancies behind closed doors/stop polluting our national purity."? I think pretty high. (Reply to this)(Parent)

Re: TW: Transphobia, ableism, misogyny, suicide, bullying/harrassment, general vileness

varkias
2012-02-28 06:33 am UTC (link)

Feeling attacked is one thing - I live with people who think that me holding hands with my girlfriend is an infringement on their right to pretend that gay people don't exist.

But implying that people exist who hate people just for being straight so much that they are more psychotic and violent than homophobes have shown themselves to be over and over again, to the point of actual physical violence and murder...that's a new one for me, and one I could have done without. It made me so sick and angry I was shaking.

I have to live my entire life with the knowledge that if I say or do the wrong thing at the wrong time in front of the wrong people, I might be beaten or killed for it. I live in a red state in the midwest, it's not very theoretical here. Someone co-opting that fear to make a vile point of false reversion in a joke, I can't even.

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	Re: TW: Transphobia, ableism, misogyny, suicide, bullying/harrassment, general vileness chikane 2012-02-28 07:29 am UTC (link)
	Yep, pretty much. They have so little regard for gay people, they actually think that disagreement with their views is worse than us getting physically attacked or killed. (Reply to this)(Parent)

Re: TW: Transphobia, ableism, misogyny, suicide, bullying/harrassment, general vileness

mmanurere
2012-02-28 03:59 am UTC (link)

Ugh. I've dealt with homophobes -- specifically, insecure macho Marines with access to a gay neighborhood that the chief of police essentially said he wouldn't be worrying about the protection of. "Ten times more violent" than that shit would be someone who would choke on their own bile and die within minutes, not someone who disagrees, even angrily, about being shit on by assholes on the internet.

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Re: TW: Transphobia, ableism, misogyny, suicide, bullying/harrassment, general vileness

varkias
2012-02-28 06:25 am UTC (link)

Yeah, that was pretty much my thoughts exactly. The whinging about their free speech and feeling oppressed by the very existence of gay people I've heard before, I get it thrown at me every day by my own family. "Just don't be that way, decent people shouldn't have to see/hear that shit." Whatever. And if I never hear another word about the 'gay agenda', it'll be too soon.

But this, ugh. It's like someone crying reverse racism - heterophobia, if such a thing did exist, cannot be compared to the kind of violence and oppression that homophobia has such a history of, for hundreds and even thousands of years. People have been beaten, tortured and killed just for being gay - not just a few, but hundreds of thousands over the years in every country and culture pretty much everywhere in the world. You can't get ten times more psychotic and violent than that, it's already at the end of the scale. Jesus.

And the facts are, no one has ever been killed or threatened with death or violence solely on the basis of being heterosexual. It just makes me sick that anyone would try to make that kind of comparison.

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	Re: TW: Transphobia, ableism, misogyny, suicide, bullying/harrassment, general vileness pantyless_angel 2012-02-27 05:51 pm UTC (link)
	Congratulations "bronies" you have now without a doubt proven you are far less mature that the actual target audience of MLIP:FIM. Does anyone remember the "Harry Potter, prof that grown ups really do ruin everything." icon? We need a brony version. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: TW: Transphobia, ableism, misogyny, suicide, bullying/harrassment, general vileness edgyspice 2012-02-27 09:09 pm UTC (link)
	My favorite part is the "[Trigger: Offensive]" warning. Because that makes it all just fine. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: TW: Transphobia, ableism, misogyny, suicide, bullying/harrassment, general vileness mad_teacup 2012-02-27 11:59 pm UTC (link)
	I was under this delusion that Yamino had somehow added that to the comment, because how the fuck does that make any sense otherwise? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: TW: Transphobia, ableism, misogyny, suicide, bullying/harrassment, general vileness edgyspice 2012-02-28 02:03 am UTC (link)
	I hope that's the case, because otherwise...yeah. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: TW: Transphobia, ableism, misogyny, suicide, bullying/harrassment, general vileness kannaophelia 2012-02-28 01:33 am UTC (link)
	After all, as one brony said in their loving and tolerant response to people who are upset by ableism when they deny any such thing exists, "Fandom is full of retards." (Reply to this)(Parent)

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