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chikane
2012-02-27 08:48 am UTC (link)

I personally find the erasure of a disability more ablest than anything.

Are you one of those people that argue that a homophobic portrayal of a gay character (who of course ends up murdered for his gayness, which turns out is his fault) is totally ok and that complaining about it is somehow worse than having such a character because OMGERASURE?

Because that's what you're doing. That's the level your argument is on. Good job being a walking, breathing logical fallacy.

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anarchicq
2012-02-27 09:02 am UTC (link)

No.

Of course people shouldn't be murdered/killed off because they're gay and of course being gay isn't a choice and certainly not anyone's fault. I would have problems with the gay-bashing/murdering characters, the characters calling the homosexual character derogatory names and so forth.

BUT I also find it annoying when someone who is not part of a thing (gay/non-white/disabled) gets offended on the part of the people who ARE that thing. As a straight girl I have less of a right to get upset about the portrayal of gays on the media then actual gays because I have not lived as they have lived or faced the same stereotypes, bigotry or misunderstandings.

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	chikane 2012-02-27 09:22 am UTC (link)
	BUT I also find it annoying when someone who is not part of a thing (gay/non-white/disabled) gets offended Most of the people that complained were "part of the thing". It's interesting how people immediately pretend otherwise, though. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sepiamagpie 2012-02-27 09:29 am UTC (link)
	You know a lot of the people who are hurt by the Derpy thing are actually disabled, right? IN FACT, some people disagreeing with you right now are disabled! Sandglass, for instance. Who you kept dismissing. Just throwing that out there, defender of the derp. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

sandglass
2012-02-27 09:45 am UTC (link)

Personally I'm generally happy when a man/straight person/abled person/etc gets offended on my behalf. Takes the onus off of minorities to always be pointing out when something is oppressive, y'know? But then I don't think it's better to have a bigoted, gross, anti-disabled portrayal of a disabled character is better than not having a disabled character at all (and I think it's more important to be able to back up your argument with facts and knowledge than just your identity), so clearly anarchicq and I are coming from drastically different perspectives.

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	sepiamagpie 2012-02-27 09:48 am UTC (link)
	Dickishness is dickishness, no matter if it's the Emperor or the little kid pointing it out. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	cmdr_zoom 2012-02-27 11:37 am UTC (link)
	It should be acknowledged that sometimes, as with the recent "shack" debacle reported in a sister comm, there are a few people just looking to be righteous and offended on someone else's behalf as an excuse to beat on someone else with the SJ stick. Do I think that's what's happening here? Hell no. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	wankaholic 2012-02-28 03:02 am UTC (link)
	Depending on the context, I'm generally pretty happy about having someone not of the group in question stand up for me, too. Like, hey, I don't have to educate stupid white people about racism because there is someone else there going, "Uh, dude, what's wrong with you?" (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ekaterinv 2012-02-28 03:33 am UTC (link)
	I am also quite happy when I see anyone say and do the right thing, no matter their race/gender/sexual orientation/religion/size/ability/etc. The basis of morality is doing stuff that helps other people, not just yourself. (Reply to this)(Parent)

anarchicq
2012-02-27 05:20 pm UTC (link)

I realize that. I am disabled as well, I have (Among many other things) Coloboma in my right eye and it is malformed and "lazy". If I had seen this pony when I was a kid I would have been all kinds of "WOOHOO! Pony be representin'!" because she looks like me. When I was a kid, the 'disabled kid' was always in a wheelchair. That wasn't me. But we're adults and we're projecting our own sense of morals and right or wrong and things onto a kid's cartoon. And instead of having the chance in the future to do an episode about disability, giving both Hasbro a chance to redeem themselves, and a hopefully good episode AND and episode where this pony gets character development, the whole issue was swept under the rug.

I was merely saying that I have less to comment about the killing off gay characters argument because I am not gay. It is not my place.

How is it dismissive to have a differing point of view and different values? I did not dismiss her, I tried to continue with calm debate but she was the one who said STFU and "LOL NO". Those are attacks, not debate or discussion.

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sepiamagpie
2012-02-27 05:45 pm UTC (link)

I'm gonna start straight off that I want her to keep the eye. The eye is neat.

But the rest of it, the voice, the name, no. That was unacceptable, and if they were pandering to the people about the name in the first place, I really truly doubt you would have ever gotten that episode.

Sorry for misunderstanding the gay thing, though. I took it to mean the whole issue.

I'm not gonna speak for Sandglass. But from the perspective of the guy who's already in a bad mood over this (too many rape threats for one morning) it looked a lot like... actually, nevermind. I'm sleepy and I'm just gonna fall over my own tongue. I did like what Zoom said though! His comments made sense to me.

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roachspit
2012-02-27 05:58 pm UTC (link)

But we're adults and we're projecting our own sense of morals and right or wrong and things onto a kid's cartoon.

No. We're adults and we're applying our own sense of morals and right and wrong and things to the adults who create and/or watch a kid's cartoon. Cartoons do not just magically appear out of the void. Grownups make 'em. Some grownups watch 'em. The least they can do is create and/or engage in fandom in a non-hurtful way.