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honorh ([info]honorh) wrote in [info]unfunny_fandom,
@ 2012-03-08 21:50:00


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NEWS FLASH: In the future, we may not all be white!
The cast for the movie of The Hunger Games has been known for a while, but a certain segment of the fandom is having a hard time coming to terms with something about it: Namely, that Rue and Thresh, both described in the book as dark-skinned, will be played by African-American actors. Worse, so will Cinna, whose ethnicity isn't mentioned, and therefore must be white.

Hunger Games Tweets has been keeping its eye on some of the worse elements. Warning: Some extremely vile, racist language. Did you know that sweet, innocent girls must always be pale and fair-haired? And gay men can't be black? I'm telling you, it's an education.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I must go vomit.


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[info]shinga
2012-03-09 07:44 am UTC (link)
Reading these tweets out loud to my brother and us raging over it helped me feel better. But seriously though, what is with this common theme of "Rue can't be black, she's supposed to be innocent and sweet"? How the... what???

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[info]cmdr_zoom
2012-03-09 08:03 am UTC (link)
Perfect little blue-eyed blonde Aryan, of course.

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[info]hydriotaphia
2012-03-09 08:13 am UTC (link)
I have no idea, particularly since the kid they picked to play Rue is the most adorable thing I've seen since puppies.

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[info]ekaterinv
2012-03-09 08:06 am UTC (link)
Personally, I also think that Suzanne Collins could’ve done a better job introducing these characters. She missed the fact that the majority of her readers would need to have it HAMMERED IN that they were black. Not just delicately mentioned

Um. WTF. It's the author's fault that some of her readers can't read? (I do not believe it's "the majority" just because of some assholes on Twitter.)

And I can see that going over real well. Treat the people who aren't white as "other" by dwelling on it constantly. Yeah, what a great idea.

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[info]phosfate
2012-03-09 02:05 pm UTC (link)
I think that might have been sarcasm at the expense of Ms Collins' readers.

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[info]hydriotaphia
2012-03-09 08:11 am UTC (link)
D:

There I was, reading the intro line and nodding along: The cast for the movie of The Hunger Games has been known for a while, but a certain segment of the fandom is having a hard time coming to terms with something about it

And then I realised that the outrage wasn't over Katniss and Gale being whitewashed for the movie, but over other actors actually being cast correctly.

And now I will be D:'ing for a while.

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[info]cmdr_zoom
2012-03-09 08:33 am UTC (link)
This, right here.

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[info]varkias
2012-03-09 10:39 am UTC (link)
Yeah, that was me too. D: WTF, people.

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[info]sandglass
2012-03-09 07:28 pm UTC (link)
I had the same reaction. They weren't described as white and dyeing Jennifer Lawrence's hair doesn't help.

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[info]honorh
2012-03-09 07:41 pm UTC (link)
I'm kind of "meh" on the subject of Katniss's racial background. I mean, olive skin can cover a pretty wide range, as can gray eyes. And her mother's blonde, so it actually came as a surprise to me when there was a bit of a dustup. Which probably shows my own prejudices. But Rue? She's clearly described as having dark skin. Even if she wasn't, I wouldn't understand the bile in some of the comments.

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[info]hadisia
2012-03-15 11:16 am UTC (link)
That's pretty much why I'm refusing to see the movies - or read the books, given that I've heard Collins pretty much jumped on board with the casting and casting call for only WHITE girls. :|

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[info]spacelogic
2012-03-09 08:45 am UTC (link)
Given that I was in Harry Potter fandom when the rage about casting an Asian Cho Chang* was going on, I probably shouldn't be surprised by this, but, um....

*Probably mostly due to fans wanting to be in the movies and resenting any actor who got a part we they had previously been able to see as available, but I never saw anyone complaining about how an actor being cast was totally not fair because they were white, or British come to that. And there were a lot of Americans trying to sound British so they could try out for those films.

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[info]sepiamagpie
2012-03-09 10:08 am UTC (link)
No. I'm in a good book buzz and commissions finished for me mood. I can't look at those tweets and not want to set fire to fandom.

I'm still cranky over 'how dare they cast an asian woman for Watson'.

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[info]coffee_mug
2012-03-09 10:30 am UTC (link)
Christ almighty.

I'll admit I'm an unattentive reader so I totally missed her being black and instead imagined her as looking South-East Asian for whatever reason. But that's completely on me. Another random "just in my head, based on nothing" casting was that I thought Beetee was black even though Wikipedia tells me he's described as "pale-skinned".

Kind of shows people do make mistakes, especially when reading fast (and this book is so intense you'll want to read fast), but for fuck's sake, own up to them, you racist idiots. :|

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[info]fools_game
2012-03-09 11:45 am UTC (link)
On the upside, though.

They cast actors of color for those roles! Yay for not whitewashing!

(I always pictured Cinna as more of a Johnny Weir-looking guy? BUt I like what I've seen of Lenny Kravitz so far.)

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[info]kattahj
2012-03-09 06:22 pm UTC (link)
Oh God, so much stupidity. Not to mention the whole "But Rue reminds Katniss of Prim!" angle, which, I try to imagine how quickly their heads would explode if I told them my first thought upon seeing Lisa Gay Hamilton was that she looked a lot like Megan Follows.

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[info]mirhanda
2012-03-09 08:08 pm UTC (link)
Gay men can't be black?!?

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[info]xturtle
2012-03-09 08:16 pm UTC (link)
So admittedly, I'm late to the party and have only read the first book. But that does make the descriptions fairly fresh, and the Cinna stuff is making me slightly bonkers. The main detail we get for his stylistic bent is that the only augmentation he makes to his own face is a striking application of gold eyeliner.

Now, I'm going to reason from my own experience as a creamy-pinkish person. When I wear gold eyeliner, it creates a subtle effect. One doesn't say, wow, she's wearing gold eyeliner! They say, wow, her eyes really stand out in that outfit (this is my stylistic bent - barely noticeable!). So, in order for the same eyeliner to have a dramatic effect, the skin it is applied to would have to offer way more contrast.

In real time, this made Lenny's casting seem very common sense to me. Unfortunately, common sense isn't all that common. Solution: gold eyeliner for everyone! For SCIENCE!

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[info]chikane
2012-03-09 10:28 pm UTC (link)
So, they thought that Rue was sweet and innocent.

And therefore cannot be black.

But are totally saying they aren't racist.

It seems they crit logic for 99999 damage. Logic dies horribly.

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[info]serafina20
2012-03-10 01:11 am UTC (link)
Lenny Kravitz looks to be awesome, but I will never get over Chiwetel Ejiofor not being Cinna. :(

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[info]lied_ohne_worte
2012-03-10 09:26 am UTC (link)
I kind of admire people who can read about a character having "dark brown skin" and conclude from this that she must of course be a tanned white girl. What description would the author have needed to use in order to convince them she was in fact black?

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[info]mareen
2012-03-10 10:48 am UTC (link)
I don't tend to imagine what book characters look like. I take whatever the author tells me about it, and keep that in mind, but I never fill the blanks myself. Which is why I was aware that Rue and Thresh were black, and that Peeta has blonde hair, and Gale is dark-haired. There was never a description of Cinna except his gold eyeliner, so in my head he was basically just gold eyeliner.

I still think Lenny Kravitz is an interesting choice for the role, because I didn't knew he was acting. But the moment I saw his first picture I thought he was perfect. There's a certain sense of integrity around him none of the other characters possesses. Which is exactly what I expected in Cinna.

As for the wank... I really don't know what to say. It's vile.

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[info]spawn_of_kong
2012-03-10 01:15 pm UTC (link)
You'd think that these wankers would take the fact that Suzanne Collins is one of the film's executive producers, therefore probably having at least some input in the casting process, into consideration.

Then again, we've seen from the "Blaise Zabini is black" fallout that authorial intent doesn't matter much to the most willfully oblivious fans.

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[info]rosehiptea
2012-03-10 10:12 pm UTC (link)
Kind of relevant cool thing I just saw on Tumblr:

Hunger Games Raceswap

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[info]enrythe8th
2012-03-15 03:57 pm UTC (link)
My god, exactly how oblivious can you be if you thought that Rue and Thresh were white? Even if their skin color wasn't directly stated in the books, it seemed pretty obvious to me that their district was patterned around southern plantations.

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