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bleurosez
2010-10-14 06:26 pm UTC (link)

Eye-roll aside about the pity party for his status as a white man aside, I used to include an article in one of my classes that argued Eminem should be criticized as a genderphobe rather than homophobe because he uses homophobic language to criticize gender behavior rather than sexual behavior and that making it about homophobia allows him to sidestep the gender problem entirely. I think it is a provocative claim and one that always makes me uncomfortable because claiming that being gay somehow makes a person less of a man is homophobic as well as a gender issue, but then again, I hate labeling something as all one category and not another. It does come back to today's rappers in general and I wonder where the hell Eminem was when all those people were protesting rap and specific black rappers in the '90s. He's highly popular, he gets flak.

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sandglass
2010-10-14 07:05 pm UTC (link)

I wonder where he was a week ago, when his (black) friend 50 Cent got jumped on for a poorly worded tweet.

I don't think he's got a horrible point, he brought rap to the suburbs and to the attention of suburban parents, because of his race. But it's not like they're going, "He's white, lets hold him to a higher standard!" they're going, "OH MY GOD he made a song about killing his wife! With his daughter!" or at least "OH NO this rap thing is now relevant to me!"

Good point with the genderphobe thing. He's still a homophobe, but he definitely does seem to hate it when anyone steps out of their gender roles.

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	kita0610 2010-10-14 09:17 pm UTC (link)
	Dude, that wasn't poorly worded, he suggested death was better than being gay. Eminem is a douche AND that tweet by 50 cent was seriously not ok. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sandglass 2010-10-14 09:31 pm UTC (link)
	Well, what he meant was that straight men should give their girlfriends blowjobs. It was all kinds of wrong, as was his lack of apology for it, but the homophobia came from heterosexist wording and negligent forethought. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	kita0610 2010-10-14 09:37 pm UTC (link)
	And it's really shitty timing. I dunno what he really meant by it, I suppose no one does but him. But yeah, an apology would have gone a long way. Same with Eminem. But apparently, saying you're wrong just isn't cool? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sandglass 2010-10-14 10:04 pm UTC (link)
	If they said they were wrong, they'd have to make some effort to stop doing it. Which was my problem with Eminem after I aged out of "Teehee, bad words!" and doing what my parents disapproved of. I grew up, but his music didn't. It's hard to believe that someone is saying misogynistic/homophobic/etc things without meaning it when they've been doing it for years! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	damien 2010-11-13 04:33 pm UTC (link)
	...What. Having read the tweet in question, there is NO WAY IN HELL that I would've understood that from what he said. What the fuck. @_@ (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sandglass 2010-11-14 12:28 am UTC (link)
	Can't really blame you. IIRC, he previously made another tweet that puts it a bit more into context, but it's still terribad wording. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ekaterinv 2010-10-15 06:21 am UTC (link)
	I have never seen anyone be heterosexist without being misogynistic. Eminem is really strongly both, but since misogyny is so normalized, people are a bit more likely to shrug it off. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	persona 2010-10-15 06:27 am UTC (link)
	I've never seen someone being heterosexist without being both misogynistic and homophobic. All three are extremely closely linked together and go back to the same root cause - Expected gnder performance, or lack thereof. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ekaterinv 2010-10-15 09:10 pm UTC (link)
	Definitely. Which means, when you really examine what they're saying closely, there's misandry in there too. Trying to shove everyone into Stepford boxes means hating on all real people. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	irised 2010-11-02 08:24 am UTC (link)
	Wait, I thought heterosexist was a simile for homophobic? Oh, god, I can't keep up @_@ (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	emily_goddess 2010-11-05 03:46 pm UTC (link)
	If I understand correctly, heterosexism is the assumption that hetero is normal (often paired with the tendency to forget that queer people exist); whereas homophobia is the fear and hatred of queer people. (Reply to this)(Parent)

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