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tarakanova ([info]chienne) wrote in [info]unfunny_fandom,
@ 2012-05-23 19:14:00


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Casting Wank: "Game of Thrones" Style
[info]hippoiathanatoi aka Linda Antonsson is the co-owner of westeros.org, the largest fansite for the fantasy series, A Song of Ice and Fire. She was briefly involved in the "Fanfiction is like kidnapping my kids" wank, though her entries about the matter seem to have been deleted from both her LiveJournal and her tumblr.

Since then [info]hippoiathanatoi has let it be known that she is not at all happy with Game of Thrones, the HBO adaptation of the ASOIAF books. There's the potrayal of Cersei Lannister, for one. But most of all, she's upset about the casting of Lucian Msamati and Nonso Anozie as Salladhor Saan and Xaro Xhoan Daxos. True, she doesn't like Lena Heady, Kate Dickie, Natalie Dormer or Oona Chaplin much either, but Msamati and Anozie really set her off.

Xaro, in the books, is a “pale, lean” fellow, bald and with a big nose. He’s one of the “Milk Men” of Qarth. His casting for the show not only means that the character is likely to be pretty profoundly changed—and here I am talking about his size; I just can’t see him playing Xaro as Xaro is written and Xaro won’t be the physical contrast to Drogo that he was in the books—but it also means that they need to make setting and story changes. Either they disregard the appearance of the “Milk Men” or they change Xaro’s story so he’s not one of them. I dislike both options. Others will feel its minor and doesn’t matter, but I disagree. That’s all there is to it.

Salladhor Saan, in the books, is a Lyseni. Its not entirely clear in the first book, but by the last book it has been made very plain indeed, that the Lyseni are well-known for being blonde and blue-eyed. It appears to be a fascination with the Valyrian look, which seems to be bred for among the Lyseni pleasure slaves, and this does become an important part of certain mysteries in the books. Again, the casting of a black actor as Salladhor Saan leaves the show with two options; ignore the very cohesive Lyseni appearance or change the character’s backstory. Again, I have issues with both options.


But don't go getting any ideas. [info]hippoiathanatoi is quite insistent that she's not racist:

If someone still wants to call me racist, be my guest, but I know you’re making a baseless accusation and that is what matters to me. I am purely looking at this from the point of view of wanting to see the books changed as little as possible. My hope was always that the team behind the show would have the same priorities. With the first season, it felt as if they did. With the second season, I am becoming very unsure of this, and if some of these changes are due to complaints against the first season, then I feel very disappointed. I wouldn’t mind seeing less “sexposition” that isn’t from the books, but I don’t think that the criticism of the show being too white needed to be addressed in this fashion (if that is indeed what they are doing). I honestly see no difference between complaining that Game of Thrones is too white and complaining that a movie about Viking-age Scandinavia is too white. Both of them draw from a pre-existing source and when it comes to adapting the material I don’t place history above the world-building for a book


Most of this happened a months ago, but in the meantime, [info]hippoiathanatoi has been complaining about the future casting of Daario Naharis:

Oh, so supposedly they’re fucking up Daario’s casting too. Yawn, it is getting predictable. At this rate, people who watch the show will think that most of Essos is “non-white”/”non-caucasian”, or whatever the equivalent should be called in Westeros considering the lack of a Caucasus.

Never mind that the First Men, the Andals and the Valyrians all came from Essos…

Never mind that several of the Free Cities show very strong Valyrian influences…

World-building, let us sacrifice you on the altar of political correctness.


And she's still not finished with the issue of Talisa of Volantis/Jeyne Westerling, either:

Oh, now there’s whining that I questioned Talisa being from Volantis.

It is not racist, little fuckwits, to question why you would cast a dark-haired, olive-skinned woman as a noblewoman from Volantis — from one of the most prominent families of the Old Blood, no less — when the nobles of Volantis are said to be not only descendants of the Valyrians but also pretty particular about not mixing that blood with anything else:

“Outlanders, foreigners, and freedmen were not allowed inside the Black Wall save at the invitation of those who dwelt within, scions of the Old Blood who could trace their ancestry back to Valyria itself.”

“He had been a tall man, blue-eyed and fair of face. Some child of Lys or Old Volantis, snatched off a ship by corsairs and sold into bondage in red Astapor.”

Why throw that world-building out when there was an easy solution? Why not have her be from Myr or Braavos, for example?

They felt that it was important enough to have the Targaryen look preserved given that they gave Daenerys and Viserys the silver hair. Why on earth is it then not important that all the Valyrians had that distinct look? This is, for fuck’s sake, likely pretty important to the plot later on. Just have a look at “Aegon” and consider Illyrio and his Lyseni concubine.


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[info]b_jellybean
2012-05-25 12:26 pm UTC (link)
I find Cersei on the show to be a much more rounded character than she is in the books. The show demonstrates her concern about Joffrey's insanity and gives us moments where we see what marriage to Robert has done to her. She seems to almost, sorta, kinda, care about Sansa as much as she's able. Book-Cersei is much more a one-dimensional villain.

Rational people might see this as a good thing, a way that the show gives depth to a female character who came off as flat in the novels. This person, not so much.

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[info]kaesa
2012-05-25 11:54 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I am really liking more-developed!Cersei in the show, and even slightly-more-sympathetic!Theon. I mean, I am all for writing characters the audience loves to hate, but she did start showing more depth later in the series, and hey, she's still essentially pretty horrible, so you can still love to hate her!

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[info]pyratejenni
2012-05-27 11:16 pm UTC (link)
I find it hard not to sympathize with Theon in ADwD, even though he's a villain.

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[info]esorlehcar
2012-05-26 09:18 am UTC (link)
Huh. My housemate, who introduced me to the show, agrees with you, but I feel the opposite: Cersei actually grew on me a bit after I started reading the books, whereas she just generally makes me shudder on the show.

I mean, she makes me shudder in the books, too! But she's got her cornucopia of issues that makes her the way she is just like all the major characters do, and I feel like the books show the "why" a lot more clearly. I haven't even finished the third book yet, though, so my perspective is obviously rather limited.

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[info]b_jellybean
2012-05-26 05:58 pm UTC (link)
I think the characterization of Cersei devolves as the series goes on; by books 5 and 6 I really find her completely unsympathetic. I like the bits of her on her own that we see on the show a lot more. That could very well be a personal reaction, though, or having more distance from the roller coaster of the novels.

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[info]keleri
2012-05-28 04:43 am UTC (link)
Me too; I found Cersei to be this whiny, utter asshole in the books once we got her POV chapters. Her chapters started to read like WEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHH I WANTED TO BE THE QUEEEEE-EEEEENNN WEEEEHHHHHHHH I WANTED A POOOOOOOONYYYYYYYYYY etc. It made me sympathize with her LESS (while Jaime's POV chapters turned him into a complete woobie ... hmm).

In the show, I feel like Lena Headey gives a gravity and a genuine pain to the character, while still having moments of thinking she's smarter than she is. In the books all the same facts are there about her adultery and terrible marriage, and Robert's many infidelities, but there is a better sense of the regret and sorrows of both characters.

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