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Pyrate Jenni ([info]pyratejenni) wrote in [info]unfunny_fandom,
@ 2012-08-05 19:37:00


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Entry tags:have some fucking decorum!, person: winterfox, publishing, sj means never having to say you're sry, social justice, transfail

Your one-stop shopping for trolling and bullying disguise as social justice!
Blatantly cut and pasted from [info]wank_report. Hat tips to the mice.


Requires Only That You Hate (http://requireshate.wordpress.com/) - Requires Hate for short - is a Thai Chinese lesbian blogger who has been ripping various sexist and racist science fiction/fantasy books apart in her online reviews. She's also better known as winterfox.

About 10 days ago, in one of her posts, Requires Hate posted a link to another person's review of the Inspector Chen books written by Liz Williams: http://requireshate.wordpress.com/2012/07/22/more-links/ (top paragraph).

Liz Williams - mevennen on livejournal - clearly dd not appreciate this. When Catherynne Valente posted about the sexual harassment at Readercon, mevennen's response was to ask whether she feels the same way about Requires Hate as she does about Rene Walling:
http://catvalente.livejournal.com/678836.html?thread=21468596#t21468596

"I don't think ANY of this is acceptable. I don't care whether it's puppy-eyed, I'm-sowwy leching American men, or wannabe sociopathic Chinese women."

Posting in the thread was not enough for Williams, however - she went on to write a long and ranty LJ post calling Requires Hate an "an aspiring fantasy serial killer" and announcing that "in the unlikely event that she is a potential psychonerd like the guy in Aurora, I’ve passed her details on to the relevant authorities and they can act if they see fit. Hey, if I’m going to be accused of being an Evil British Imperialist Whore [Tm] whatever I do, I might as well make the most of it": http://mevennen.livejournal.com/889924.html (comments now screened)

Valente posted a response:

"I believe that people should be able to voice their opinions, even if I disagree with them. Even if I agree sometimes and other times think that in a quest to answer injustice and be heard, they step over the line into cruelty."
http://catvalente.livejournal.com/679023.html

There's some humor in the comments, particularly in the threads involving Nick Mamatas (nihilistic_kid), who is also very outspoken about his likes and dislikes and who listed Requires Hate as an example of a "superior sort of reader" recently: http://nihilistic-kid.livejournal.com/1777161.html




In Caitlin R. Kiernan's journal:
http://greygirlbeast.livejournal.com/900453.html?thread=13564261#t13564261

Important background: a previous discussion in Valente's journal and follow-up twitter exchange with Requires Hate which led Kari Sperring (la_marquise_de_) to attempt suicide:

http://catvalente.livejournal.com/677154.html?thread=21396770#t21396770

https://twitter.com/KariSperring/status/206049221864980481
https://twitter.com/KariSperring/status/206048663041089539
https://twitter.com/KariSperring/status/206048219225006080
https://twitter.com/KariSperring/status/206047696480505858
https://twitter.com/KariSperring/status/206046672311156736

Nick Mamatas's comment on this today - "Apparently, Twitter makes people suicidal."
http://nihilistic-kid.livejournal.com/1781261.html?thread=27024397#t27024397

An annoyed friend of Mevennen and previous fan of Cat Valente posted to denounce Winterfox. It's a bit tl;dr but makes many good points. He cites FFA and quotes Cat's infamous line, "I, too, can, have, and will again write a book which communicates the Japan I can make up in my head - it's far better than the real thing."

http://tyrell.livejournal.com/847819.html

Meanwhile, Cat Valente continues bawwwwing on LJ and Twitter, sadly with a great deal of support from fans, friends, and minions.

http://catvalente.livejournal.com/679023.html

Some more info here: http://fail-fandomanon.livejournal.com/38277.html?thread=172264837#t172264837 Including links to Winterfox's infamous death and torture threats/wishes to other people.



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[info]ekaterinv
2012-08-06 04:13 am UTC (link)
She's also better known as winterfox.

Oh god. Her.

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[info]seiberwing
2012-08-06 04:22 am UTC (link)
That was my exact reaction.

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[info]spawn_of_kong
2012-08-06 04:57 am UTC (link)
That name sounds familiar. Has she been on F_W at all?

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[info]ekaterinv
2012-08-06 05:01 am UTC (link)
Mentioned in passing a few times, at least. It might also sound familiar because for a while at least she seemed to be everywhere. I have seen her banned from two completely unrelated websites I lurk on.

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[info]tinmiss
2012-08-06 07:14 am UTC (link)
The banning is why you had the "oh god, her" reaction?

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(no subject) - [info]ekaterinv, 2012-08-06 07:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tinmiss, 2012-08-06 07:18 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]juliansinger, 2012-08-07 06:08 am UTC

[info]seiberwing
2012-08-06 05:14 am UTC (link)
She was causing some trouble on...I think it was [info]inclusive_geeks, my brain only remembers 'feminist LJ comm'. If not actively friend with Riley they tended to hang out on the same comms and use the same tactics.

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[info]wankaholic
2012-08-06 06:20 am UTC (link)
Yup, that was the comm. I've run into her elsewhere and been rather stunned at her tactics—I'm not white, but evidently I pander to the oppressor, or some such. Was off the wall enough that I could laugh at it.

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(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2012-08-06 06:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]wankaholic, 2012-08-06 06:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]eleutheria, 2012-08-06 08:10 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sandglass, 2012-08-07 02:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]eleutheria, 2012-08-07 06:27 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sandglass, 2012-08-07 10:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lilitu93, 2012-08-07 07:40 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ekaterinv, 2012-08-07 10:01 pm UTC
Winterfox on Piracy - [info]sharps, 2012-08-09 11:26 pm UTC

[info]cyndra_falin
2012-08-06 07:03 am UTC (link)
She was also banned from Women_Gamers on LJ.

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(no subject) - [info]pyratejenni, 2012-08-06 12:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]full_metal_ox, 2012-08-08 07:28 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2012-08-08 08:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]elzezuk, 2012-08-15 09:58 pm UTC

[info]innervoice_chan
2012-08-06 01:58 pm UTC (link)
She was also in an incident on 50books_poc that made it to wank_report but not, apparently, to F_W. One of the threads discussing it (all winterfox's comments have been deleted but the other commenters quote her):
http://50books-poc.livejournal.com/373872.html?thread=1320560#t1320560
I believe this may be when she became known for asserting that she was more-Asian-than-thou, being "Asian-Asian" rather than Asian-American or another hyphenate.

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(no subject) - [info]nagaina, 2012-08-06 11:22 pm UTC

[info]chienne
2012-08-07 03:24 am UTC (link)
Yes. IIRC, she was also involved in the Jim Butcher twitter wank under the name pyrofennec.

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[info]wankaholic
2012-08-07 03:57 am UTC (link)
that's her username on Dreamwidth as well—or was, I don't know if she's deleted or not and I cannot be arsed to check.

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[info]seiberwing
2012-08-07 04:45 am UTC (link)
The more I read about her the more I wonder if "Requires Only That You Hate" is also her life philosophy.

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[info]sepiamagpie
2012-08-06 05:11 am UTC (link)
I wish I'd seen that ("Oh god. Her") when Kynn (the social justice rapist) came up in the nihilistic_kid thread. They're misgendering her to 'get even'. Because that isn't nasty to other transfolk at all.

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[info]ekaterinv
2012-08-06 05:23 am UTC (link)
It's okay because they're superior sorts of readers. Not inferior sorts. Superior sorts are allowed to do anything they please to inferior sorts, and act however they wish, because they're superior.

(Seriously, is that post for real?)

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[info]sepiamagpie
2012-08-06 06:38 am UTC (link)
All I heard was bees buzzing about halfway through. I'm... not good at that sort of shit.

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[info]tinmiss
2012-08-06 07:13 am UTC (link)
The superior / inferior reader thing made me pause, for sure.

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[info]eleutheria
2012-08-06 08:28 pm UTC (link)
That post is like a jackass convention, and can Mamatas be any more pretentious?

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[info]nagaina
2012-08-06 11:23 pm UTC (link)
I'm pretty sure he can, but that post is what made me finally stop following him.

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[info]taktuk
2012-08-06 11:43 pm UTC (link)
He seemed pretentious enough to me in the earlier posts that featured him. I rather dislike him for his attitude and tone and sheer condescension.

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(no subject) - [info]eleutheria, 2012-08-07 06:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]taktuk, 2012-08-07 09:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eleutheria, 2012-08-07 10:34 pm UTC

[info]phosfate
2012-08-07 04:58 am UTC (link)
Yes he can.

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(no subject) - [info]eleutheria, 2012-08-07 06:24 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2012-08-07 01:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tinmiss, 2012-08-09 03:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2012-08-09 03:54 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tinmiss, 2012-08-09 04:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2012-08-09 04:09 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tinmiss, 2012-08-09 04:10 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2012-08-09 04:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]waltraute, 2012-08-07 10:44 pm UTC

[info]ekaterinv
2012-08-07 11:06 pm UTC (link)
The sad thing (one of them) is, that's not the first time just in the last couple weeks I've seen an SJ person be a huge intellectual and classist snob, and I'm not sure those terms are strong enough for that attitude. Specifically saying these people are inherently better than all those other people and are therefore allowed to get away with things all those other people aren't. It's nauseating.

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[info]full_metal_ox
2012-08-06 10:46 pm UTC (link)
It's okay because they're superior sorts of readers. Not inferior sorts. Superior sorts are allowed to do anything they please to inferior sorts, and act however they wish, because they're superior.

Is it just me, or does that sound like some sort of Alpha/Beta/Omega setup?

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(no subject) - [info]sistercoyote, 2012-08-07 03:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ekaterinv, 2012-08-07 11:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2012-08-07 11:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ekaterinv, 2012-08-08 04:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2012-08-08 05:01 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sistercoyote, 2012-08-08 11:26 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2012-08-07 11:54 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sukeban, 2012-08-09 11:35 am UTC

[info]puipui
2012-08-06 06:10 am UTC (link)
They're misgendering her to 'get even'.

This is one of my instant hate buttons, right here. HATE HATE HATE.

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[info]sepiamagpie
2012-08-06 06:39 am UTC (link)
It's pretty high on the uncool list, I'll tell you what.

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[info]bobafeis
2012-08-06 07:17 am UTC (link)
They're misgendering her to 'get even'

I'm too high on vicodin right now to make sense of the rest of this post, so I'm just going to rage at this one thing that I can understand. Fuck you, fuckfaces!

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