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darksumomo ([info]darksumomo) wrote in [info]unfunny_fandom,
@ 2012-08-10 22:10:00


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Current location:Detroit where the weak are killed and eaten
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Current music:"Hoth, the Icy Wastes" from Star Wars: The Old Republic
Entry tags:clown gangs: not just for gotham, look before raging

FBI declares ICP and Juggalos a gang; ICP sues
I present to you some unfunny about a fandom that does unfunny things in a funny way--Juggalos. It seems that the fans of Insane Clown Posse have become decidedly unfunny to law enforcement and the FBI has made some Foolish Ballistic Insinuations as a consequence.

Last fall, the FBI included Juggalos in their National Gang Assessment for 2011 (PDF). On pages 22 and 23, the FBI lists them under "non-traditional gangs," calling them "a loosely-organized hybrid gang." Some of the criminal activities carried out by ICP fans appear in this section, along with a photo of a Juggalo with a gun that the FBI took from the ATF (trigger warning for descriptions of violence and the photo).

At first, the inclusion of Juggalos in the FBI's list was mocked by Spencer Ackerman at Wired, who observed "The FBI has recently had difficulty distinguishing ordinary American Muslims from terrorists; now it appears it has a similar problem distinguishing teenage fads from criminal conspiracies." As recently as Thursday, the Village Voice posted that people thought the FBI report was an example of "another example of a federal agency looking foolish for its cultural ineptitude." That was until the U.S. Marshal Service issued a press release listing the fugitives added to New Mexico's Most Wanted.

Mark Anthony Carslon A.K.A. Mark Carlton is wanted on two felony warrants for failing to comply with the terms of probation both on underlying armed robbery cases. Carlson is a member of the Insane Clown Posse “Juggalo” gang. The “Juggalos” were recently classified as a gang by the Albuquerque Police Department Gang unit and it is believed that Carlson is still actively committing armed robberies in the Albuquerque Metro area.
Bolding from The Village Voice, who also reproduced Carlson's wanted poster, which listed his criminal affiliation as "Insane Clown Posse 'Juggalo'."



This declaration has caused the band and its fans all kinds of grief, as outlined in Vice (NSFW--what do you expect from a magazine called "Vice"?). If nothing else, Juggalos can be sentenced as gang members instead of ordinary criminals and the band's merchandise is no longer being sold at Hot Topic and other stores, who won't touch "gang apparel."

On Friday, ICP announced that they had had enough. The Village Voice reported:
Insane Clown Posse announced at the annual Gathering of the Juggalos "seminar," a veritable State of the Juggalo Union address given to "the heartbeat of the entire Juggalo world," that they were planning to sue the FBI in response.
The article also contains the text of the band's press release.

ICP and their label Psychopathic Records also launched a website, Juggalos Fight Back soliciting their fans for information about any legal troubles they may have suffered as a result of their fandom. Qualifying applicants will receive legal assistance provided by Psychopathic Records' law firm.

Stay tuned for the fallout from this unfunny.

Crossposted to Crazy Eddie's Motie News.


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[info]phosfate
2012-08-11 05:49 am UTC (link)
*facepalm*

Now picturing a massive Quadrophenia-style seaside fight involving Juggalos, MUFON, NASCAR fans, and Marvel Zombies.

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[info]cmdr_zoom
2012-08-11 06:51 am UTC (link)
And then the Eagles show up.

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[info]ekaterinv
2012-08-11 05:55 am UTC (link)
So because some people who happen to be rabid ICP fans committed crimes, all rabid ICP fans were declared a gang? Or were they declared a gang first?

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[info]darksumomo
2012-08-11 06:02 am UTC (link)
It looks like the former, based on the FBI report.

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[info]sisterelwood
2012-08-11 08:02 am UTC (link)
Wait - what? WHAT? ICP might be stupid but a gang? I just don't even know. *throws up hands*

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[info]tez
2012-08-11 08:45 am UTC (link)
*head meet keyboard*

I overheard there was some kind of noise about the feds declaring the Juggalos a gang but this is so many different flavors of stupid.

I'm not at all into ICP but I feel the need to go slam a Faygo in solidarity.

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[info]ekaterinv
2012-08-11 10:55 pm UTC (link)
They have a Faygo thing? Because if so, that's hilarious, partly because my dad also has a Faygo thing.

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[info]sisterelwood
2012-08-12 05:07 am UTC (link)
Great. Now I want to go and buy some Faygo. *considers the merits of going to the store around the corner and grabbing a 2-liter*

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[info]demonoflight
2012-08-12 05:16 pm UTC (link)
Somehow I don't think that's what Hussie thought about when he made that joke about the 2024 Violent J and Shaggy 2 Dope co-presidency.

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(no subject) - [info]tez, 2012-08-12 10:46 pm UTC

[info]sparkysrevenge
2012-08-11 09:20 am UTC (link)
SO not into ICP, but this is dumb as shit.

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[info]puipui
2012-08-11 09:52 am UTC (link)
FUCKING MAGNETS GANGS, HOW DO THEY WORK?

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[info]tez
2012-08-11 10:48 am UTC (link)
Here, have a thumbs up.

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[info]rosehiptea
2012-08-11 09:06 pm UTC (link)
Awesome.

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[info]sandglass
2012-08-12 12:24 am UTC (link)
+1

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[info]demonoflight
2012-08-11 11:52 am UTC (link)
I've cracked a few jokes about Juggalos in my time but man, this is just absurd.

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[info]catmoran
2012-08-11 02:43 pm UTC (link)
So, I guess if I'd robbed a bank 20 years ago, the FBI would have considered Mensa to be a gang. Or does it only count if the "gang" dresses funny and listens to loud rock music?

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[info]bobafeis
2012-08-12 08:58 am UTC (link)
If I rob a bank today, will the FBI come after all the other wankas?

*Note to any FBI agents monitoring us: probably not going to rob a bank today.

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(no subject) - [info]ladyvyola, 2012-08-12 03:20 pm UTC

[info]ninwhore
2012-08-11 04:25 pm UTC (link)
Wow this makes me even more glad that my nephew outgrew their horrible music. Still, pretty crazy though.

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[info]mneiai
2012-08-11 08:33 pm UTC (link)
It actually makes a lot of sense, tbh, Juggalos hit a ton of traditional gang 'markers' and a few counties/states already had them listed as a gang. That's the problem with having such a huge group like this that doesn't have a good reputation--the worst of you will be what you're judged on.

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[info]back_in_black
2012-08-11 11:01 pm UTC (link)
Occasionally small towns will try to prosecute goths under RICO. This is like that x10,000

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(no subject) - [info]cygnia, 2012-08-12 04:14 pm UTC

[info]sisterelwood
2012-08-12 04:23 am UTC (link)
TBH, no it doesn't make much sense. How do you enforce this? What kind of precedent does this set? Will other hardcore fandoms become targets? Would people feel differently if this were not about ICP?

I'm not saying I like ICP - I don't, I think the whole thing is stupid, but I don't see this as anything but a slippery slope. Go after the individuals who are causing a problem - as you pointed out, any big organization or fandom or group will have bad apples. We cannot label them all gangs.

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[info]rosehiptea
2012-08-11 09:07 pm UTC (link)
Didn't ICP at some point admit to being born-again Christians? Or do I have them mixed up with another clown-themed band with a fanatical following?

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(no subject) - [info]rosehiptea, 2012-08-11 09:07 pm UTC
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[info]staroverthebay
2012-08-14 07:22 pm UTC (link)
This is very disturbing. I told this to a friend of mine, and her response was, I quote, "About damned time!"

When I tried to explain that I thought it was wrong to label fans of a music group -- no matter what anyone thinks of their music or message -- as a "gang" her response was "You obviously know nothing about ICP then."

I tried to explain that there's a difference between a few violent individuals and organized crime rings, and she stated that there was no difference because "ICP promotes violence" and "tons of their fans are that way, it's not just a few"

I gave up trying to explain anything. But I am disturbed. Highly disturbed.

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[info]xturtle
2012-08-14 11:09 pm UTC (link)
So the (US) National Criminal Justice Reference Service defines gangs as "One common definition of a gang is a group of three or more individuals who engage in criminal activity and identify themselves with a common name or sign." I have to say, though, when I went to school (Criminology BA, 2001), we were specifically told that those conditions had to happen at the same time.

Like, if I'm hanging out with my knitting klatch, there are three or more of us who use a common name. But if three of us have been caught speeding within the last week, that really doesn't make us a rogue gang of knitters.

I would like to sit here with that mental image for a moment, though. I could make a mess with some metal needles.

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(no subject) - [info]tinmiss, 2012-08-18 08:44 pm UTC

[info]duraniedrama
2012-08-15 12:59 am UTC (link)
I think it's just proof that bragging about your weed habit is a really dumb idea.

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LOL - [info]phuck_u, 2012-09-09 05:52 pm UTC

 
   
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