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seiberwing ([info]seiberwing) wrote in [info]unfunny_fandom,
@ 2012-08-25 19:26:00


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Weird Racist Tales
Weird Tales, a fantasy/horror pulp magazine with a distinguished pedigree, has recently run into some trouble. Last week Marvin Kaye, who bought the magazine last year and fired the Hugo-award-winning staff decided to have the magazine publish the first chapter of Victoria Foyt's novel Save the Pearls.

If your face is currently in your palm, you probably already know why this was a bad idea.


From Amazon:
Eden Newman must mate before her 18th birthday in six months or she'll be left outside to die in a burning world. But who will pick up her mate-option when she's cursed with white skin and a tragically low mate-rate of 15%? In a post-apocalyptic, totalitarian, underground world where class and beauty are defined by resistance to an overheated environment, Eden's coloring brands her as a member of the lowest class, a weak and ugly Pearl. If only she can mate with a dark-skinned Coal from the ruling class, she'll be safe. Just maybe one Coal sees the Real Eden and will be her salvation. But when Eden unwittingly compromises her father's secret biological experiment, she finds herself in the eye of a storm and thrown into the last area of rainforest, a strange and dangerous land. Eden must fight to save her father, who may be humanity's last hope, while standing up to a powerful beast-man she believes is her enemy, despite her overwhelming attraction. Eden must change to survive but only if she can redefine her ideas of beauty and of love, along with a little help from her "adopted aunt" Emily Dickinson.

If this seems a little problematic to you, let me assure you that the actual book is far, far worse. In addition, Foyt's promotional works for the book have involved YouTube videos of white women in blackface and the author talking about how colorblind she is. Oh, and fake reviews. Understandably there's been controversy and most of Foyt's recent internet presence has been devoted to either fighting claims that her book might be a teensy bit racist or frantically deleting negative comments from her book's Facebook page.

When Kaye decided to publish the first chapter of Save the Pearls, he also put up a small defense of the book. It was later deleted, but nothing ever truly dies on the internet.

I have been an anthologist and magazine editor for most of my life, and as of last year became copublisher and editor of Weird Tales, America’s oldest fantasy magazine. In the upcoming issue, we are publishing the first chapter of Victoria Foyt’s SF novel, Saving the Pearls: Revealing Eden (the subtitle after the colon is an indication that the story will continue in a subsequent novel).

Weird Tales seldom prints SF, but this story is a compelling view of a world that didn’t listen to the warnings of ecologists, and a world that has developed a reverse racism: blacks dominating and detesting not just whites, but latinos and albinos, the few that still survive of the latter are hunted down and slaughtered.

It is the same literary technique employed in the off-Broadway musical a few years back, Zanna, Don’t!, set in a world where homosexuality is the norm, and a pair of heterosexual lovers are therefore socially condemned.

Racism is an atrocity, and that is the backbone of this book. That is very clear to anyone with an appreciation for irony who reads it.

I have noted the counterarguments that some Amazon readers have launched against the book and its author, and while I strongly disagree, this is America and they have the right to express their opinion(s).

But I also have been told that they have not stopped there, but also have attacked Amazon readers who describe the book in positive terms. I do not know if this is true, but if it is, it is mean-spirited, espcially if they have not read the entire book before condemning it, a charge that has also been leveled against some of them. Again, I do not know if this is true, or an exaggeration, but if these actions have, in fact, been performed, than I wish those who have done so a blessing and a curse.

The blessing is to wish they acquire sufficient wit, wisdom and depth of literary analysis to understand what they read, and also the compassion not to attack others merely because they hold a different opinion.

The curse is an integral part of the blessing…for if they do acquire those virtues, they will then necessarily look at their own behaviour, and be thoroughly ashamed.


On Monday, the publisher woke up and realized what had just happened.

I would like to tell our community that Weird Tales will NOT be running an excerpt from Victoria Foyt’s novel in our upcoming issue.

Marvin Kaye is our editor and has full control over fiction published in the magazine and website, and he agrees with me on this.

Marvin was approached by Victoria Foyt, and was asked to review her novel. He was told that she was being slammed online by people who had not read it.

I have not read the novel, but have gone over its online presence today. I have no need to read it. I saw the blackface video and read the excerpts the author and publisher chose to make available. I must conclude that the use of the powerful symbols of white people forced to wear blackface to escape the sun, white women lusting after black “beast men,” the “pearls” and “coals,” etc., is goddamned ridiculous and offensive. It seems like the work of someone who does not understand the power of what she is playing with.

Marvin says if you read the whole book, she explains her use of this imagery, and it ends up as a plea for tolerance. I say, so what. And that is the position of Weird Tales — and upon reviewing the video and other materials, Marvin is in full agreement.

I deeply apologize to all who were offended by our association with this book. I am offended by it. I fully respect those who have been writing negative things about us today. You are correct.

I have removed Marvin’s endorsement because he no longer stands by it. Marvin is traveling and will make his own statement shortly.


And by traveling I assume he means he's hiding in his closet until everyone forgets this ever happened.

Ann VanderMeer, previous senior editor who stayed on after the magazine was sold to Kaye, announced her resignation almost immediately. Her husband gives us a little more context on the clusterfuck.

But ever since a meeting with Kaye and Harlacher in New York in June, it had become obvious that she would be extremely uncomfortable working with them. Although they did not consult with her on editorial decisions, they did mention during that encounter that they planned to publish an excerpt from a YA novel written by the wife of a film director about “the last white person on the planet trying to survive in a world of black people.” This seemed deeply problematic on the face of it, and Ann was kind—perhaps too kind—but adamant and firm in saying that they shouldn’t do this. Ever. During this meal, a startling lack of understanding about international fiction and other subjects was also evinced, to the point that afterwards both Ann and I wished we had not stayed for the entire meal.

So this was in the works for several months and no one stepped in to say that this could conceivably be somewhat of a bad idea. N.K. Jemisin gives us more context, and laments the magazine's decline.

It’s more than the fact that the editor has chosen to introduce the revamped magazine with a diatribe against evil anti-racists, or evil people with no sense of irony, or something. It’s more than the stunningly poor judgment that he displays by hitching his magazine’s new applecart to this spavined old horse. It’s also the fact that they’re going to be publishing the first chapter of this hugely problematic book in Weird Tales. What the hell is that about? In all the furor over this book, no one is defending it as high-quality literature. It’s not even “weird”, in either the old-school pulp sense or the VanderMeer-era modern sense; it’s a slushpile-stock discrimiflip with implausible science and banal writing. This is a book whose author self-published it — perhaps because the publisher of her previous novel saw what a mess it was — and then promoted it via self-reviews on HuffPo and a bunch of vanity awards. Now I’m wondering whether she paid WT to publish this excerpt. Maybe she even bought Kaye’s editorial. Or maybe I’m overthinking this. Maybe Kaye just thought it was a great idea to start his new regime with a bang. Any publicity is good publicity, right? Right?

How much does a good reputation sell for, I wonder? Hope Kaye got a good price.


BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE: Kaye apparently is responding to people canceling their subscriptions over this issue. And not well, either. In addition this appears to be the same Kaye who reprinted Orson Scott Card's novella Hamlet's Father. So it seems he's got a history of not having the social sensitivity God gave a goat.


Moral of the wank: If you want to publish Lovecraftian stories, that's not the aspect of his work you want your submissions to be imitating.


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[info]phosfate
2012-08-26 03:07 am UTC (link)
I was deeply, deeply shocked to learn that Marvin Kaye is still alive.

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[info]rosehiptea
2012-08-26 03:33 am UTC (link)
Moral of the wank: If you want to publish Lovecraftian stories, that's not the aspect of his work you want your submissions to be imitating.

Ouch. Well-done.

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[info]pantyless_angel
2012-08-26 03:53 am UTC (link)
Eden Newman must mate before her 18th birthday in six months or she'll be left outside to die in a burning world.

... So not only is the book apparently a massive mess of racism, it also features mandatory under aged sex. I know 17 isn't that far from "adult hood" but if there is a law that you have to have sex, possibly be pregnant if you are female, by the time you reach the age of 18 that adds an entirely new level of DO NOT WANT for me. If 18 is the point when they decide you are no longer acceptable for "mating", what's the minimum age?

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[info]seiberwing
2012-08-26 03:58 am UTC (link)
In the department of things she wanted to do and gave no thoughts entirely, it seems contrived to give us a teenage protagonist in danger of being thrown out because nobody thinks she's beautiful (but shhh she is really beautiful and they are just haters).

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[info]ekaterinv
2012-08-26 04:58 am UTC (link)
I don't see a problem with that, if it's handled well. (Which obviously it's not, because this author obviously can't handle anything well, or even halfway competently.) This is a dystopia, after all -- it's supposed to be terrible. But considering everything else in the books, I'm guessing seiberwing's opinion about why the author put that in there is correct.

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(no subject) - [info]pantyless_angel, 2012-08-26 05:11 am UTC

[info]ekaterinv
2012-08-26 04:51 am UTC (link)
In a post-apocalyptic, totalitarian, underground world where class and beauty are defined by resistance to an overheated environment

That's not how class-linked ideas about beauty work, or have ever worked.

I knew this book was horrible and racist and gross, but I guess I didn't expect it to be so completely and totally broken on every single possible level. That'll learn me.

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[info]seiberwing
2012-08-26 05:05 am UTC (link)
I've been reading the sporkings. It really is horrible and broken on every single level. But that's what you get when a book's inspired by a white girl's trauma at being called the n-word.

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(no subject) - [info]ekaterinv, 2012-08-26 05:55 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2012-08-26 06:23 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ekaterinv, 2012-09-03 07:08 am UTC

[info]catmoran
2012-08-26 04:08 pm UTC (link)
That's not how class-linked ideas about beauty work, or have ever worked.

I'd love it if you expanded on this a little -- I'm utterly ignorant of the subject.

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(no subject) - [info]bienegold, 2012-08-26 04:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2012-08-26 09:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eleutheria, 2012-08-26 10:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ekaterinv, 2012-08-26 11:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eleutheria, 2012-08-27 02:40 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ekaterinv, 2012-08-27 11:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ekaterinv, 2012-08-26 11:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2012-08-27 02:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]issendai, 2012-08-27 08:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ekaterinv, 2012-08-27 10:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]issendai, 2012-08-27 11:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ekaterinv, 2012-08-28 04:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]issendai, 2012-08-28 11:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ekaterinv, 2012-08-29 03:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sandglass, 2012-08-27 11:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]issendai, 2012-08-27 11:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]franzen, 2012-09-01 02:07 am UTC

[info]bobafeis
2012-08-26 05:06 am UTC (link)
I've been following this story for weeks, and I have to say, there is no end to the brain-searing lulz (I'm serious... every single aspect is both hilariously bad and horrifyingly racist/misogynist).

My favorite part was when they walked from Ecuador to Mexico. And that the people in Ecuador/Mexico/BrownPeopleLand (let's face it, that's how the author thinks of it) are drug lords... despite the fact that there's no one to sell drugs to at this point.

Oh, and they've killed off all the albinos. Because albinos are their own separate race and not a genetic mutation that can happen to children of any racial makeup.

Oh, oh, and part of the inspiration for this was someone calling the (white) author a n*gger once and so she knows about racism.

...

I have not even scratched the surface of this horror and my brain is already breaking again.

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[info]seiberwing
2012-08-26 05:26 am UTC (link)
I'm addicted, it's kind of sad. The more I read of it and about it the more problems I find. It's like a horrible racist onion.

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(no subject) - [info]bobafeis, 2012-08-26 06:57 am UTC

[info]eleutheria
2012-08-26 10:33 pm UTC (link)
Oh, ffs. It's even worse than I thought.

Linx to systematic rippings?

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(no subject) - [info]miera_c, 2012-08-27 02:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2012-08-27 02:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bobafeis, 2012-09-06 05:05 am UTC

[info]honorh
2012-09-01 01:50 am UTC (link)
Mother Earth, it's faily on all accounts. The writing itself is dreadful, which is enough to offend me already, the world-building is dire, and the author's utter inability to see why she's so offensive frankly blows my mind. It's so stupid that I have this bile fascination to discover how much worse it can possibly get.

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[info]ladyvyola
2012-08-26 07:56 am UTC (link)
Oooo, I think my favorite reactions (dammit, closed the page and can't find the exact quotes) are when someone says it reads like a fusion of Mandingo and Twilight as directed by Leni Riefenstahl and somebody else amends "but without any of her actual talent".

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[info]the__ivorytower
2012-08-26 08:35 am UTC (link)
The depressing part is that I can see how such a story could be used to *emphasize* the existence of racism in our present culture, as well as homophobia. It would have to be done well, and carefully. I suspect that this story does not do so. In fact, browsing the comments, I know it isn't.

Le sigh.

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[info]mirhanda
2012-08-26 05:01 pm UTC (link)
Yes, it could be done so well...if done by someone with talent.

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(no subject) - [info]mmanurere, 2012-08-27 05:56 am UTC

[info]warchio
2012-08-30 12:22 am UTC (link)
I think Marjorie Black* did a pretty good job in Noughts and Crosses. It wasn't a Farnham's Freehold situation, but it just switched the positions quite quietly.

*I read it a while ago, so could have missed/forgotten anything bad. But from memory it was a good story and thoughtful concept.

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(no subject) - [info]kumquat_of_doom, 2012-09-01 10:13 pm UTC

[info]thoms
2012-08-26 04:15 pm UTC (link)
Do not drag Zanna, Don't! into your diatribe, you fuckwit. That little music and this racist as fuck book are about as far opposite as you can get.

Nargh. Glad I have to mow the lawn today, I can pretend all the blades of crabgrass are Marvin Kaye's face.

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[info]khym_chanur
2012-08-27 02:09 am UTC (link)
As was pointed out elsewhere, why in the world would an oppressed group be given a name like "pearls", a semi-precious item used in jewellery, while the oppressing group gives itself the name "coals", which has no connotations of beauty or value? It'd make a lot more sense if the people of African descent were called "ebonies" and people of European descent called "mushrooms". Plus, any book titled Save the Mushrooms would have a lot of people checking it out just to find out what it the world it was about.

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[info]frenzy
2012-08-27 02:32 am UTC (link)
Elsewhere, the terms I've heard suggested were "jet" and "ghosts". I love the idea of a book called Save the Ghosts.

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(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2012-08-27 02:33 am UTC
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[info]sandglass
2012-08-27 10:59 pm UTC (link)
She defended her choice by saying that in her world pearls are hated because they're useless, and coal is valued because it has a use. Which is not really how economies tend to work, and also I'mma guess coal is a lot less useful to an overheated planet. And is also a gross way to justify a name for a race that was literally used as an object by white people.

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(no subject) - [info]ekaterinv, 2012-08-27 11:47 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]taktuk, 2012-08-28 11:00 am UTC
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[info]soc_puppet
2012-08-27 03:13 am UTC (link)
Dear Victoria Foyt and other privileged asshats,

That's not how being colorblind works. Please stop appropriating my brother's disability in your piss-poor attempts to disguise your own racism.

Contemptuously yours,
Me

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[info]staroverthebay
2012-08-27 04:25 am UTC (link)
I'm guessing that this person only knows of basic run-of-the-mill white cultured freshwater pearls. Which means she apparently is ignorant as hell to the fact that pearls can and do naturally come in a rainbow of colors.

Like Tahitian pearls, which are fucking awesome and gorgeous. Seriously, Google-image search for them if you don't know what I'm talking about. Such pretty little gems! They make traditional white pearls look positively boring!

(Honestly, if the dominant, dark-skinned race is called "coal" why isn't the oppressed, light-skinned race called "chalk"?)

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(no subject) - [info]the__ivorytower, 2012-08-27 06:16 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]staroverthebay, 2012-08-27 11:40 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]franzen, 2012-09-01 01:51 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladyvyola, 2012-08-27 03:09 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2012-08-27 07:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2012-08-28 03:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladyvyola, 2012-08-28 07:14 pm UTC

[info]duraniedrama
2012-08-29 01:53 am UTC (link)
If you want to publish Lovecraftian stories, that's not the aspect of his work you want your submissions to be imitating.

I think I kind of adore you for that.

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(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2012-08-29 05:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]elektra3, 2012-08-29 11:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]duraniedrama, 2012-08-30 01:44 am UTC

[info]elektra3
2012-09-01 05:34 am UTC (link)
So this is a culture that values the propagation of the species over individual rights... and they leave the decision of who to "mate" with in the hands of teenagers? What kind of lame-ass dystopia is this?

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(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2012-09-01 05:41 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2012-09-03 11:32 pm UTC
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[info]tehrin
2012-09-03 08:05 pm UTC (link)
I'm a little disappointed: no clutching her pearls jokes have been made.

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(no subject) - [info]derryderrydown, 2012-10-17 04:05 pm UTC

 
   
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