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I Know Nothing About This Subject But My Opinion Is More Valid Than Those Who Do
Massive trigger warning for rape. Proceed with caution.
Thank you to the anon on wank_report for this one.
To minimise the number of hits this author gets, I’ve placed all the wanky and gross comments in a Google document. (I would have included them in the post but it's long enough as it is.)
Moranion puts the following author’s note at the end of her Sherlock fic:
I do hope I haven't unintentionally insulted anyone's feelings here. I haven't been raped myself, so my thoughts on the matter are purely theoretical. I think that current psychiatry deals with psychical consequences of rape in an entirely wrong way, mostly because it treats rape as a bigger deal than it actually is, and yes, I am very much aware that rape is a horrifying thing to happen to anyone. That doesn't change the fact that I think (mostly) women are almost conditioned to be psychically traumatized by being raped. An example: a woman is raped and is psychically traumatized by it because she spent her whole life being informed that rape is a psychically traumatizing experience. All that said, I'm convinced that the whole shebang of therapy is a black hole precisely because it treats people who were raped as victims while telling them that they aren't victims. To conclude, from my amateurish viewpoint it would be a lot more beneficial if rape was treated as something that, yes, is horrible and disgusting and terrifying, but after you're healed and the rapist is arrested, you're a changed person, obviously, but you're still you. That being said, EVERYBODY REACTS DIFFERENTLY, so I'M NOT GENERALIZING ANYTHING HERE.
Feel free to bite my head off now.
People proceed to bite her head off. Moranion belittles responses from rape victims and is generally cruel, dismissive and deliberately obtuse. A sample below:
Loren: Okay, as someone who has been raped, I'm offended by the fact that you would try to make a statement on something you know nothing about. You don't know how violating it was, how terrifying. It was literally the worst thing that could have ever happened to me. Worse than being physically abused all of my life by my peers, while my family did nothing. Worse than growing up with literally no friends. I was invited to a slumber party once. It was a wrong address on the card. It was worse than the self harm, the eating disorder, and the times I was hospitalized for attempted suicide.
I'm trying really hard not to attack you verbally, or written, rather, but it's difficult to restrain myself. I'd never wish a rape upon anyone, but I wish that you knew exactly what it felt like so that you could eat your words.
I'm disgusted with myself for liking this story, simply for the fact that I'm disgusted with your opinion. It's not something that you have to just heal physically from. And my rapist, by the way, was never caught. I was roofied, and can't remember his face. The few people I told in my real life told me that I must have invited it somehow, and that it was probably my fault.
You're exactly like them.
So you know what? I'm done being kind.
Fuck you. I hope you learn how wrong you are, you inconsiderate, privileged asshole.
And you know what else? I'm itsbetterinenochian on tumblr if you have the balls to try and back up your moronic opinion some more.
Moranion: Wow, that's quite a lot to take in. I don't have a tumblr, so you'll have to bear with me here.
1. Thank you for liking the story. I pity you if you tend to be disgusted with yourself for liking the things you think you shouldn't like.
2. I don't remember asking for kindness, so you really shouldn't have bothered.
3. Not being raped myself doesn't mean that I don't know anything about it. However, it does mean that you're an ignorant fool, the sort of person who thinks that a virgin by default doesn't know anything about sex. Sometimes, theoretical knowledge is all that we can get our hands on, because guess what? It's not actually possible to experience anything that's there to be experienced. But perhaps, some nonexistent deity will hear your kind wishes and I will learn, first hand, how very wrong I am. Perhaps, though, I'll learn first hand how very right I am. I bet that would get your blood up some more.
4. Are you actually calling me privileged for not being raped (yet)? I weep for womankind everywhere. If you think that I'm privileged, you probably also think that you deserved to be raped, which is ... disturbing, to put it mildly. And because I'm done being kind, too: IT'S A 50-50 CHANCE, YOU FOOL.
5. What else? Oh, yes. Inconsiderate and with a moronic opinion. I'm very, very sorry for what happened to you. That doesn't change the fact that I still believe that therapists who treat raped people like they're damaged goods aren't exactly helping them. Treating a victim like a victim is, surprisingly enough, illogical in my opinion, not to mention severely disrespectful. I think that actually makes me more considerate. I'm not a psychologist and I don't have the knowledge to work out a better way of helping rape survivors, but a blind idiot can see that the current system ISN'T WORKING.
6. I'm not only one who thinks that way. I remember another survivor of the rape expressing her approval over my opinion on the kinkmeme, when this story was posted for the first time, see the comments on part 9: http://sherlockbbc-fic.livejournal.c
That would be all, I believe.
Anyone else wants to join in on the discussion?
Other people do want to join in on the discussion. Moranion gets butthurt and makes the following edits:
EDIT: After being more or less declared a bitch by some commenters because of this author's note, I'm pressed to repeat: I really hope I haven't offended anyone. It's certainly not my goal to appear insensitive or ignorant or in any way flippant about rape trauma. I did feel I had to explain my depiction of rape in the story, so the note stays. I strongly urge you to read what I've written about the same subject in the comments before you decide to declare me a bitch yourself.
EDIT NO. 2: Well, I'll consider 'moron' an improvement. I should probably point out that my opinion was formed upon the state of rape therapy in my country, which is, I see, emphatically not the same everywhere. Also, I'm repeating again: I feel that society, law and a majority of our surroundings treats rape survivors as damaged goods, which they very much are NOT. This is not me calling rape survivors weak for needing therapy, this is me telling the society to shut up. Now, your knowledge of rape therapy and the general attitude towards rape may differ from mine, so please consider this before throwing insults at me.
EDIT NO. 3: I am grateful to each and every one of you who have left a comment here, and yes, that means all of you without exceptions. I learned more in two days than I usually do in a month at university. I strongly urge any new readers to take some time to read through the comments. Believe me, it's worth it.
The worst of the comments are in the Google doc, but this thread wins for sheer audacity, fuckwittery and Godwin's Law:
Eldritchhorrors:
1) You have said that you've never been raped nor have any academic knowledge of rape.
2) You have made blanket statements about current rape therapy being ineffectual and giving the victim no sense of agency.
Which of these is correct? How do you know what rape therapy consists of? How much have you studied it? Because what I know about modern rape therapy involves making the woman feel like less of a victim. Yes, it is your opinion, but an opinion with absolutely no fact to back it up is useless. If you were citing particular forms of therapy and could reason out why they were ineffective I would take you more seriously. But just stating that the therapies don't work when for all I know your source is one episode of Law and Order SVU...
Moranion: While I don't see how am I obliged to explain myself to you while you're calling me a moron on your tumblr, let me put it like this:
1. I haven't ever read a medical textbook on rape if that's what you're asking. I do, however, know the basics of its psychological implications. The objectivization, the domination, the violation of what most of us holds as the most sacred - our right to decide what happens with our bodies.
2. A month or two before I wrote this fic (and I wrote it more than a year and a half ago, if you've read my notes), I watched a lengthy documentary on rape survivors in my country. Just for a start, only five percent of registered rape survivors in my country are men, emphasis on registered. Women who survived rape and spoke about their experience with rape therapy provided by the national healthcare were mainly - to put it mildly - unhappy with it. Healthcare provides one to two sessions a month. Therapists are expensive, and most women have no means to afford weekly sessions. Many spoke about being treated by their therapists like 'just another hysterical rapee' (I'm translating a slur here), damaged goods, like invalids; like people who were expected to have nervous breakdowns and try committing suicide around the clock. The one lone male survivor who appeared with blurred face and electronically changed voice spoke about being downright shamed by his therapist for not crying after his rape; the man told the therapist that he hasn't cried once in his life and that he certainly doesn't see a point in giving his rapist the satisfaction. The therapist refused to treat him again.
Needless to say, it pissed me off. And that was perhaps my mistake here - in assuming that rape therapy is the same everywhere. As comments here show, some people who were raped agree with me and some don't. I'm certainly not an authority on the matter and I never claimed that I was.
3. You wrote in your post on your tumblr that I don't consider PTSD as a diagnosis. I do, actually. My point still stands.
Merry: You watched a documentary, and you somehow think that gives you more information than actual SURVIVORS of rape, so much so that you can talk over them and call them Nazis?
You honestly disgust me.
Moranion:
It gave me some very specific information, and as I've pointed out, that information tends to differ from country to country. I've pointed that out before, which means that I have to tell you to go learn how to read again.
(And yes, I'm going to call Nazi every single person who somehow thinks that their opinion is a priori worth more than mine or that I should just tape my mouth shut and never write a word again in fear of ever offending anyone, may they be a rape survivor or the goddamn president of the country.)
There are some rape survivors who do agree with her author's note but Moranion doesn’t dismiss their experiences at all. Gosh, I wonder why?
Massive trigger warning for rape. Proceed with caution.
Thank you to the anon on wank_report for this one.
To minimise the number of hits this author gets, I’ve placed all the wanky and gross comments in a Google document. (I would have included them in the post but it's long enough as it is.)
Moranion puts the following author’s note at the end of her Sherlock fic:
I do hope I haven't unintentionally insulted anyone's feelings here. I haven't been raped myself, so my thoughts on the matter are purely theoretical. I think that current psychiatry deals with psychical consequences of rape in an entirely wrong way, mostly because it treats rape as a bigger deal than it actually is, and yes, I am very much aware that rape is a horrifying thing to happen to anyone. That doesn't change the fact that I think (mostly) women are almost conditioned to be psychically traumatized by being raped. An example: a woman is raped and is psychically traumatized by it because she spent her whole life being informed that rape is a psychically traumatizing experience. All that said, I'm convinced that the whole shebang of therapy is a black hole precisely because it treats people who were raped as victims while telling them that they aren't victims. To conclude, from my amateurish viewpoint it would be a lot more beneficial if rape was treated as something that, yes, is horrible and disgusting and terrifying, but after you're healed and the rapist is arrested, you're a changed person, obviously, but you're still you. That being said, EVERYBODY REACTS DIFFERENTLY, so I'M NOT GENERALIZING ANYTHING HERE.
Feel free to bite my head off now.
People proceed to bite her head off. Moranion belittles responses from rape victims and is generally cruel, dismissive and deliberately obtuse. A sample below:
Loren: Okay, as someone who has been raped, I'm offended by the fact that you would try to make a statement on something you know nothing about. You don't know how violating it was, how terrifying. It was literally the worst thing that could have ever happened to me. Worse than being physically abused all of my life by my peers, while my family did nothing. Worse than growing up with literally no friends. I was invited to a slumber party once. It was a wrong address on the card. It was worse than the self harm, the eating disorder, and the times I was hospitalized for attempted suicide.
I'm trying really hard not to attack you verbally, or written, rather, but it's difficult to restrain myself. I'd never wish a rape upon anyone, but I wish that you knew exactly what it felt like so that you could eat your words.
I'm disgusted with myself for liking this story, simply for the fact that I'm disgusted with your opinion. It's not something that you have to just heal physically from. And my rapist, by the way, was never caught. I was roofied, and can't remember his face. The few people I told in my real life told me that I must have invited it somehow, and that it was probably my fault.
You're exactly like them.
So you know what? I'm done being kind.
Fuck you. I hope you learn how wrong you are, you inconsiderate, privileged asshole.
And you know what else? I'm itsbetterinenochian on tumblr if you have the balls to try and back up your moronic opinion some more.
Moranion: Wow, that's quite a lot to take in. I don't have a tumblr, so you'll have to bear with me here.
1. Thank you for liking the story. I pity you if you tend to be disgusted with yourself for liking the things you think you shouldn't like.
2. I don't remember asking for kindness, so you really shouldn't have bothered.
3. Not being raped myself doesn't mean that I don't know anything about it. However, it does mean that you're an ignorant fool, the sort of person who thinks that a virgin by default doesn't know anything about sex. Sometimes, theoretical knowledge is all that we can get our hands on, because guess what? It's not actually possible to experience anything that's there to be experienced. But perhaps, some nonexistent deity will hear your kind wishes and I will learn, first hand, how very wrong I am. Perhaps, though, I'll learn first hand how very right I am. I bet that would get your blood up some more.
4. Are you actually calling me privileged for not being raped (yet)? I weep for womankind everywhere. If you think that I'm privileged, you probably also think that you deserved to be raped, which is ... disturbing, to put it mildly. And because I'm done being kind, too: IT'S A 50-50 CHANCE, YOU FOOL.
5. What else? Oh, yes. Inconsiderate and with a moronic opinion. I'm very, very sorry for what happened to you. That doesn't change the fact that I still believe that therapists who treat raped people like they're damaged goods aren't exactly helping them. Treating a victim like a victim is, surprisingly enough, illogical in my opinion, not to mention severely disrespectful. I think that actually makes me more considerate. I'm not a psychologist and I don't have the knowledge to work out a better way of helping rape survivors, but a blind idiot can see that the current system ISN'T WORKING.
6. I'm not only one who thinks that way. I remember another survivor of the rape expressing her approval over my opinion on the kinkmeme, when this story was posted for the first time, see the comments on part 9: http://sherlockbbc-fic.livejournal.c
That would be all, I believe.
Anyone else wants to join in on the discussion?
Other people do want to join in on the discussion. Moranion gets butthurt and makes the following edits:
EDIT: After being more or less declared a bitch by some commenters because of this author's note, I'm pressed to repeat: I really hope I haven't offended anyone. It's certainly not my goal to appear insensitive or ignorant or in any way flippant about rape trauma. I did feel I had to explain my depiction of rape in the story, so the note stays. I strongly urge you to read what I've written about the same subject in the comments before you decide to declare me a bitch yourself.
EDIT NO. 2: Well, I'll consider 'moron' an improvement. I should probably point out that my opinion was formed upon the state of rape therapy in my country, which is, I see, emphatically not the same everywhere. Also, I'm repeating again: I feel that society, law and a majority of our surroundings treats rape survivors as damaged goods, which they very much are NOT. This is not me calling rape survivors weak for needing therapy, this is me telling the society to shut up. Now, your knowledge of rape therapy and the general attitude towards rape may differ from mine, so please consider this before throwing insults at me.
EDIT NO. 3: I am grateful to each and every one of you who have left a comment here, and yes, that means all of you without exceptions. I learned more in two days than I usually do in a month at university. I strongly urge any new readers to take some time to read through the comments. Believe me, it's worth it.
The worst of the comments are in the Google doc, but this thread wins for sheer audacity, fuckwittery and Godwin's Law:
Eldritchhorrors:
1) You have said that you've never been raped nor have any academic knowledge of rape.
2) You have made blanket statements about current rape therapy being ineffectual and giving the victim no sense of agency.
Which of these is correct? How do you know what rape therapy consists of? How much have you studied it? Because what I know about modern rape therapy involves making the woman feel like less of a victim. Yes, it is your opinion, but an opinion with absolutely no fact to back it up is useless. If you were citing particular forms of therapy and could reason out why they were ineffective I would take you more seriously. But just stating that the therapies don't work when for all I know your source is one episode of Law and Order SVU...
Moranion: While I don't see how am I obliged to explain myself to you while you're calling me a moron on your tumblr, let me put it like this:
1. I haven't ever read a medical textbook on rape if that's what you're asking. I do, however, know the basics of its psychological implications. The objectivization, the domination, the violation of what most of us holds as the most sacred - our right to decide what happens with our bodies.
2. A month or two before I wrote this fic (and I wrote it more than a year and a half ago, if you've read my notes), I watched a lengthy documentary on rape survivors in my country. Just for a start, only five percent of registered rape survivors in my country are men, emphasis on registered. Women who survived rape and spoke about their experience with rape therapy provided by the national healthcare were mainly - to put it mildly - unhappy with it. Healthcare provides one to two sessions a month. Therapists are expensive, and most women have no means to afford weekly sessions. Many spoke about being treated by their therapists like 'just another hysterical rapee' (I'm translating a slur here), damaged goods, like invalids; like people who were expected to have nervous breakdowns and try committing suicide around the clock. The one lone male survivor who appeared with blurred face and electronically changed voice spoke about being downright shamed by his therapist for not crying after his rape; the man told the therapist that he hasn't cried once in his life and that he certainly doesn't see a point in giving his rapist the satisfaction. The therapist refused to treat him again.
Needless to say, it pissed me off. And that was perhaps my mistake here - in assuming that rape therapy is the same everywhere. As comments here show, some people who were raped agree with me and some don't. I'm certainly not an authority on the matter and I never claimed that I was.
3. You wrote in your post on your tumblr that I don't consider PTSD as a diagnosis. I do, actually. My point still stands.
Merry: You watched a documentary, and you somehow think that gives you more information than actual SURVIVORS of rape, so much so that you can talk over them and call them Nazis?
You honestly disgust me.
Moranion:
It gave me some very specific information, and as I've pointed out, that information tends to differ from country to country. I've pointed that out before, which means that I have to tell you to go learn how to read again.
(And yes, I'm going to call Nazi every single person who somehow thinks that their opinion is a priori worth more than mine or that I should just tape my mouth shut and never write a word again in fear of ever offending anyone, may they be a rape survivor or the goddamn president of the country.)
There are some rape survivors who do agree with her author's note but Moranion doesn’t dismiss their experiences at all. Gosh, I wonder why?
