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	ekaterinv 2013-07-09 09:16 pm UTC (link)
	Ender’s Game is set more than a century in the future and has nothing to do with political issues that did not exist when the book was written in 1984. That sentence contains a few impressive levels of fail. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	sepiamagpie 2013-07-09 09:39 pm UTC (link)
	we so often forget that homosexuals were invented in 1985. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	phosfate 2013-07-09 09:41 pm UTC (link)
	You should have seen the size of the vat! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	come_love_sleep 2013-07-10 02:33 am UTC (link)
	Also, marriage is a political issue, and a century in the future we won't have to worry about The Gays anymore. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sepiamagpie 2013-07-10 02:35 am UTC (link)
	I'm a little concerned about what he thinks will happen to the gays. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	come_love_sleep 2013-07-10 02:35 am UTC (link)
	Imprisoned until death, and bred out of Right Society, I'm assuming. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sepiamagpie 2013-07-10 02:38 am UTC (link)
	Good luck with the impossible dream, Orson. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	mmanurere 2013-07-10 05:45 am UTC (link)
	His publicly-stated position is that gay people should mostly be allowed to exist as long as we stay in the closet, though there should also be the occasional public trial and imprisonment to keep us in our place. And he considers this an enlightened, magnanimous, and tolerant position. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	come_love_sleep 2013-07-10 05:50 am UTC (link)
	In addition, he's on the board for NOM, which is partially responsible for the kill-the-gays bill in Uganda. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ekaterinv 2013-07-10 06:05 am UTC (link)
	He wants everyone to be exactly like him. And when people say, "no, we don't want to be exactly like you," he does not react well. (I don't think every homophobe is in the closet. Orson Scott Card, however...) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

mmanurere
2013-07-10 06:52 am UTC (link)

There's one very specific subset of heterosexual-supremacists that I do tend to suspect may be closeted and self-loathing; the type that present heterosexuality as a noble sacrifice in which people refrain from engaging in same-sex relationships (which are obviously more satisfying) out of an altruistic desire to perpetuate the species and maintain social order. Because none of the actual heterosexuals I know experience their orientation as a sacrifice. And OSC is probably the most blatant user of the "noble sacrifice" explanation.

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	roachspit 2013-07-10 07:28 am UTC (link)
	I'm not saying that I want the fucker to die, but I will say that's one obituary I won't be sorry to read. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	hopsandbarley 2013-07-10 03:20 am UTC (link)
	A shame they still haven't gotten around to inventing bisexuals! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	soc_puppet 2013-07-11 10:07 pm UTC (link)
	I know, right? I for one would really like to get around to existing. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	romana03 2013-07-15 07:43 am UTC (link)
	<3333333333 (Reply to this)(Parent)

	full_metal_ox 2013-07-11 11:41 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, and let's not forget that possible future social developments are none of science fiction's damn business. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	hopsandbarley 2013-07-12 04:15 am UTC (link)
	I know, right? It's not like any pre-1984 sci-fi works even attempted to show a society that had developed in issues like, say, racial or gender equality! That'd be preposterous! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	agent_hyatt 2013-07-12 04:58 am UTC (link)
	But it wasn't perfect, so it's like it didn't even try. (Reply to this)(Parent)

ekaterinv
2013-07-12 04:40 am UTC (link)

And, of course, things that happened 100 years ago don't have any impact whatsoever on what's going on today. And trying to extrapolate the future from the present doesn't have anything to do with science fiction at all, and speculative fiction in general doesn't have a thing to say about the world of today. Current political issues never ever seep into a writer's work even unintentionally.

Basically, OSC just said he wrote Ender's Game as a pure meaningless fantasy detached from anything and everything important to any human being alive now in the slightest. So, why are we supposed to care about it again?

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	It's a cheap shot, but somebody's gotta make it... full_metal_ox 2013-07-13 01:12 am UTC (link)
	Ender’s Game is set more than a century in the future and has nothing to do with political issues that did not exist when the book was written in 1984. "We have always been at war with the Buggers." (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: It's a cheap shot, but somebody's gotta make it... sepiamagpie 2013-07-13 01:54 am UTC (link)
	I question the fact that the enemy is a euphemism for anal sex. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: It's a cheap shot, but somebody's gotta make it... full_metal_ox 2013-07-13 01:58 am UTC (link)
	I was hinging my wisecrack upon the fact that the original publication date happens to coincide with the title of a rather famous SF sociological cautionary tale, but...holy crap, you may be onto something. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: It's a cheap shot, but somebody's gotta make it... sepiamagpie 2013-07-13 02:01 am UTC (link)
	IT WAS TRES AMUSANT. But I got totally distracted with 'wait, bugger means--' which I remember catching me by surprise when I was reading about the book about a year ago but can't remember if I asked anyone about it then. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: It's a cheap shot, but somebody's gotta make it... full_metal_ox 2013-07-13 02:06 am UTC (link)
	(Sorry if my 'splanation came across as condescending; conversing in oblique allusions is a chronic bad habit of mine, and tone can be a tricky thing online.) (Reply to this)(Parent)

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	Re: It's a cheap shot, but somebody's gotta make it... ekaterinv 2013-07-13 02:33 am UTC (link)
	I'm really surprised no one seems to bring this up. (Reply to this)(Parent)

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