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ekaterinv
2014-07-17 08:45 pm UTC (link)

So if you haven't played Persona 4 and plan to, don't un-ROT13 the following, because it is a major spoiler:

Gur crefba lbh fcraq nyzbfg gur jubyr tnzr gelvat gb fgbc vf n encvfg. Ur qbrfa'g encr gur jbzna naq tvey ur zheqref va gur tnzr orpnhfr vafgrnq ur xvyyf gurz: gur svefg bar nppvqragnyyl nf ur'f nggnpxvat ure, gur frpbaq bar sbe rkvfgvat nf n grrantr tvey ur'f nybar jvgu jub jba'g unir frk jvgu uvz. Juvyr ur qbrfa'g encr nalbar va gur tnzr, vg'f cerggl pyrne gung ur'f qbar vg orsber. Guvf vf abg n tnzr sbe xvqqvrf, naq vs lbh jevgr n fgbel nobhg encr gung flzcnguvmrf jvgu gur ivpgvz -- jryc, gung'f jung gur tnzr vf gbb.

But SJWs never do the research. Because they don't have to. A certain segment of the internet has decided that going batshit over keywords without caring about the context is the right and proper thing to do and shows their moral perfection.

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	seiberwing 2014-07-17 09:50 pm UTC (link)
	It also makes the outrage easily led, as in this case. Tumblr's particularly bad for it since a bad story can spread like reblogged wildfire without people looking at other comments about it (corrections, or even edits of the original posts). (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

ekaterinv
2014-07-17 10:05 pm UTC (link)

Tumblr has also apparently decided that ravishment fantasies are the most evilest of evils -- and not just Tumblr. This is why I won't even go into anything that calls itself a feminist safe space any longer unless I or someone I know personally controls it. I have no idea how "feminist safe space" transmuted into "place where we scream at women (many of them victims of sexual abuse) for their sexual fantasies," but it disgusts me.

AND THIS WASN'T EVEN A RAVISHMENT FANTASY. Like, what, if we don't grapple with rape it will go away? What was the goal here? Just to yell and scream and feel self-righteous? Ugh, I am so frustrated.

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kijikun
2014-07-17 10:42 pm UTC (link)

I tell myself that these are the same awful people that were being awful about shit before, they just are co-oping feminist and SJ language so they can be awful AND get all the asspats. I've found the people rabidly attacking and bullying people out of fandom spaces are really in no way feminist nor do they give a shit for anyone that isn't them or one of their friends.

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	ekaterinv 2014-07-17 11:05 pm UTC (link)
	I was kept awake the other night wondering whether many of these people are government-hired agent provocateurs, like those who stank up the left wing in the 60s and 70s. Which is paranoia and obviously I need a tin-foil hat. But they are making our side look so bad and driving away well-meaning people. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	kijikun 2014-07-17 11:16 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, I would really have more stupid teenagers - because they can goddamn learn - than grown adults that crow gleefully at ruining someone's life because they once said a dumb thing or even just wrote a fic they didn't like. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	seiberwing 2014-07-18 03:06 am UTC (link)
	A lot of them are trolls or bullies using SJ as a front to make people do what they want. See also Riley/smallblackangel/shitwhitepplsay and their cult of personality that ran off a 16 year old with rape and death threats. They know they can use it to motivate people as long as they use the right buzzwords. So yes, but without the paycheck. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

adevyish
2014-07-18 08:38 am UTC (link)

A large fandom I'm in ran a popular fanartist off Tumblr last month because having top/bottom preference in her ship meant she's homophobic, apparently. It's pretty common to get anon hate in this fandom but the sheer volume she was getting was awful. Then after she came back a couple weeks later, someone immediately started circulating another hate post about her.

It reminds me a bit of when Aja could run people off fandom (I'm still bitter over that one time with Hikaru no Go). But back then you had to be a BNF to make it take off, whereas now anyone can start a hatepost and it just needs to get picked up by a BNF blog and suddenly five thousand people all hate your guts. I live in fear of having one of my posts get big because the last couple of times, getting big = hate mail.

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rosehiptea
2014-07-18 01:53 pm UTC (link)

One of the problems with tumblr, or at least hateful people on tumblr, is that they don't seem to ever let go of anything. I mean eventually it's time to say "You know, I still don't like ___ but I'm going to go hang out with other people who don't like it and stop bothering this one particular person." But no one on tumblr seems to know how to do that. It's like beating a dead horse is a major sport.

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	seiberwing 2014-07-18 02:13 pm UTC (link)
	It's partially because of how these things circulate. Even after an incident's cooled down, the post will still have legs and will reach more and more people who feel that they need to go rage about it without bothering to see what's actually going on back at the source. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

sepiamagpie
2014-07-18 02:46 pm UTC (link)

A perfect non-anger example of how tumblr gets shit wrong is this post by a user called Yamino, of her golden satin mice. It says in the original post that they're her mice. Almost every new text added to the post is how they're definitely rats and how the people calling them mice are wrong because reasons.

She's reblogged the post multiple times to go 'they're mice. I know they're mice. They're my mice. I bred them' and if you look at it now, most of the text you'll see in the reblogs is about them being rats.

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	cmdr_zoom 2014-07-21 12:54 am UTC (link)
	I ended up leaving scans_daily, some years back, when I expressed concern that the new mod policies might lead to this sort of thing and was labeled a concern troll. "When has that ever happened? Let's see your evidence!" I suppose I could provide some now, but I just don't care anymore. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sepiamagpie 2014-07-18 03:15 am UTC (link)
	I think I'm sensing you have some sort of beef with these people, but I'm not sure. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ekaterinv 2014-07-18 06:43 am UTC (link)
	These people in particular? No, I don't know them. "These people" meaning bullies using social justice as a cover to be complete assholes? Yes. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	seiberwing 2014-07-18 02:06 pm UTC (link)
	They deserve a cattle farm's worth of beef for the harm they do. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sepiamagpie 2014-07-18 02:42 pm UTC (link)
	They do get a lil' shrieky. That said, I don't think you're automatically owed total acceptance for 'ravishment fantasies' as Evakernia was saying, which was what I was getting at. They don't make you a bad person, but it's still a traumatic event that's happened to a lot of people so I'd expect side-eying. Like furries. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ekaterinv 2014-07-18 02:53 pm UTC (link)
	And it's a kind of fantasy a lot of people who went through said traumatic event have. Like, a lot. A whole lot. Also, furries? We're still side-eying furries on the internet? Personally, I side-eye kink-shaming. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sepiamagpie 2014-07-18 02:55 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, I gathered that's your particular bugbear. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	seiberwing 2014-07-18 03:43 pm UTC (link)
	No one's asking for that. They're asking for events like this not to happen. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sepiamagpie 2014-07-18 03:45 pm UTC (link)
	I was reading other comments. The actual topic of the post is a ragey game of telephone that hurt people. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	quantumreality 2014-07-19 05:21 pm UTC (link)
	Maybe not, but what goes on in someone's head is hardly something that can be regulated in any meaningful way, unless we want to go all 1984esque. Basic example: someone might not like the fact that I think about breakfast in terms of scrambled eggs, bacon and toast. But they're my damn thoughts, so tough. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

sepiamagpie
2014-07-19 11:38 pm UTC (link)

Well yeah, it's just a fantasy, not an act. What I'm saying is when it's something as extreme as that, you can't expect everyone, especially in what they consider a safe space, to go 'how wonderful!'

Like I said, you're not a bad person for having it. But just because it's something important to you doesn't mean it doesn't effect other people when you bust it out.

Your example is so basic it's light years away from the concept of a rape fantasy.

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tez
2014-07-18 07:34 am UTC (link)

ROT13'd for major spoilers for both Persona 3 and Persona 4:

V svaq vg vagrerfgvat jura crbcyr qrongr bire juvpu vf qnexre, C3 be C4. V guvax gurl'er nobhg ba cne jvgu rnpu bgure; C4'f cebgnt qbrfa'g qvr ng gur raq yvxr va C3, ohg gur ivyynva vf ZHPU qnexre. Snpryrff ragvgl frg ba qrfgeblvat uhznavgl if. qbhpurjrnfry encvfg naq zheqrere jub vf oyngnagyl naq haercragnagyl abg fbeel sbe jung ur qvq juvyr npgvat yvxr gur fjrrgrfg ohzoyvat vqvbg rire? V guvax bcgvba O vf fpnevre.

The sad thing is that this isn't even 'not doing the research'. Two paragraphs' worth of Sympathy Crime would be all it would take to punch a hole right through all that bullshit.

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ekaterinv
2014-07-18 07:49 am UTC (link)

V guvax bcgvba O vf fpnevre.

Yes!

Ur'f fb oryvrinoyr naq uhzna. Gur gehyl svany obff zvtug or n orvat bs hygvzngr cbjre, ohg fur fvzcyl tnir crbcyr gur cbjre gb qb jung gurl jnagrq gb qb naljnl; fur unq abguvat gb qb jvgu qverpgvat gurve qrfverf. V nyfb qba'g guvax C3 vf nyy gung "qnex" -- vg'f nofbyhgryl ol gur obbx gb unir gur znffviryl cbjreshy naq urebvp znva punenpgre qvr va gur raq, naq V'z nyjnlf n ovg fubpxrq jura gurl qba'g. Nf sbe C4, V qba'g ernyyl guvax vg'f qnex rvgure, orpnhfr gurer'f fb zhpu yvtug naq ubcr va vg. V'q pnyy vg ernyvfgvp, engure guna qnex. Vs bar pna pnyy n tnzr va juvpu grrantref whzc vagb gryrivfvbaf gb svtug tvnag tybirf ernyvfgvp.

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tez
2014-07-18 07:52 pm UTC (link)

Shpxvat tybirf.

Ernyvfgvp vf cebonoyl n orggre grez, lrf. V jvfu Vmnanzv unq orra uneqre, V guevir ba rcvp uneq 'rkgen' obffrf. Ohg lrnu, va C3 lbh jrer tbvat hc ntnvafg n snpryrff ragvgl. Va C4 lbh jrer punfvat fbzrbar jub jnf...irel, irel erny. Naq irel ernyvfgvp. Lbh qba'g yvxr gb guvax bs crbcyr rkvfgvat jub ner yvxr gung, ohg gurl ner bhg gurer naq gurer'f zber bs gurz guna jr'q yvxr. Nqnpuv trgf perrcvre gur zber lbh guvax nobhg uvz.

You know, it's actually too bad these dipshits won't do the research in this case. We're talking a fucking brilliant video game. It might learn 'em some shit.

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