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es_ ([info]es_) wrote in [info]unfunny_fandom,
@ 2010-10-20 09:27:00


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Entry tags:aja: savior or saint?, look before raging, oh aja, rimming is fundamental

Inception unfunny racewank
Shamelessly copied from [info]wank_report. You can see the mice discuss it here.

[info]halflinen writes a pretty long Inception fanfic.

[info]the_moonmoth finds an exchange in the fic racist and problematic.

[info]godofwine disagrees.

[info]bookshop decides to school [info]godofwine on racism, telling [info]godofwine that "you may have the privilege of not being harmed or offended by images of racism in fandom that someone else of minority status *does not have*" and further explains that she's coming from "that cultural context of having experienced/witnessed Racefail."

[info]godofwine is an Asian living in the US.

fail_fandom anon has a lot of fun.

So does rivier: If a POC doesn't find it racist, it's internalized racism! POC anon lays the smackdown on her: "It's really amusing to watch white folks tell us non-white folks what we can and cannot think, what is an is not acceptable, what is and is not racist."




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[info]duraniedrama
2010-10-20 03:45 am UTC (link)
TBH I always wonder if you white folks who express such righteous indignation about your perceptions of racism aren't actually over compensating for something.

Ding!

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[info]ingrid
2010-10-20 03:51 am UTC (link)
"It's really amusing to watch white folks tell us non-white folks what we can and cannot think ...

I'm thinking practice has something to do with this.

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[info]sepiamagpie
2010-10-20 04:03 am UTC (link)
Ahaha oh god.

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(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2010-10-20 04:27 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]deliciouschaos, 2010-10-20 04:53 pm UTC

[info]sandglass
2010-10-20 04:10 am UTC (link)
Godofwine is wrong in implying that hipster racism doesn't exist. Hipster racism is alive and well, and really, really obnoxious, although I'm not sure the snippet actually exemplifies it. My hipster racist relative likes to use the N-word "ironically", but it's really racist because he has no idea why the N-word is actually bad, and no idea of the appropriate context. . .and because he's racist in a boatload of other ways.

The rest of what she says makes a lot of sense, although I'm really uncomfortable with telling people they can't be 100% sure of calling something racist--we can debate where the line should be drawn over giving people the benefit of the doubt, but if someone thinks something is really racist, they should be allowed to be upset about being told to agree to disagree. That shit comes up all the time when people validly call out bigotry, and people should be able to be annoyed by it and express their annoyance.

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(no subject) - [info]sandglass, 2010-10-20 05:00 am UTC

[info]tehrin
2010-10-20 04:11 am UTC (link)
I want a hundred dollars for every time Aja shows up in a wank report. I have student loans to pay off.

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(no subject) - [info]finchbird, 2010-10-20 04:20 am UTC
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[info]sorchar
2010-10-20 04:12 am UTC (link)
Oh, Aja Oh, Rivier.

Nice White Ladies: amusing and pissing off PoC since 1970! /random date

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(no subject) - [info]kylenne, 2010-10-21 02:55 am UTC

[info]xero_sky
2010-10-20 04:21 am UTC (link)
White folks aren't allowed to think certain things, people of color aren't allowed to think certain things, people of different backgrounds aren't allowed to think certain things.

I'm glad fandom is here to educate me.

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(no subject) - [info]tehrin, 2010-10-20 04:35 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2010-10-20 05:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bemysty, 2010-10-20 09:40 am UTC
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[info]twinno
2010-10-20 04:37 am UTC (link)
I love the anon comments that say "And the story wasn't even that good!" If fandom has taught us anything, it's that something doesn't have to be good in order for people to argue about it.

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(no subject) - [info]msilverstar, 2010-10-21 02:47 am UTC

[info]waltraute
2010-10-20 04:39 am UTC (link)
I thought this exchange got at the most interesting thing at stake here. My uncharitable reading is that the whole thing is ultimately an argument about characterization and the_moonmoth's conclusion is "Fluff is always good, undesirable character traits disrupt my identifying with a character and they're just not canonical!" Given the great depths of characterization in Inception, lol.

Also, write didactically or you might be a bad person.

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(no subject) - [info]squeakytoy, 2010-10-20 01:15 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lady_ganesh, 2010-10-20 07:51 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]sorchar, 2010-10-21 04:10 am UTC

[info]tez
2010-10-20 05:08 am UTC (link)
Oh, Aja.

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[info]adevyish
2010-10-20 06:16 am UTC (link)
I was confused when I didn't see an Aja tag.

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[info]franzen
2010-10-20 06:57 am UTC (link)
Someone enlighten me: what does "SJ" stand for, in the context of "SJ fandom people"?

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[info]chikane
2010-10-20 08:55 am UTC (link)
Aja really should have left it at the hipster racism thing, where she was completely right, godofwine didn't exactly cover herself with glory there. The rest of Aja's posting is such pretentious drivel, all the more hilarious for missing who she's talking to, showing she didn't even fully read the posting. Stay classy, Aja, stay classy.

I also love the anon at rivier who... ended up doing the same thing they complained about. What a mess.

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(no subject) - [info]kerryblaze, 2010-10-20 07:16 pm UTC
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[info]gmth
2010-10-20 10:55 am UTC (link)
Has Aja addressed the fact that she screwed up so royally by explaining racism to a POC? I can maybe understand making the mistake in the first place if she didn't read the OP carefully or at all, but once the fact was pointed out to her shouldn't she have said something about it? An apology, maybe, or at least an acknowledgement that she fucked up? Wouldn't that be a means of addressing her own privilege here?

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(no subject) - [info]es_, 2010-10-20 06:11 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2010-10-20 10:45 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]persona, 2010-10-21 12:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kylenne, 2010-10-21 03:02 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2010-10-21 03:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kylenne, 2010-10-21 04:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cmdr_zoom, 2010-10-21 05:10 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]staroverthebay, 2010-10-21 12:39 am UTC
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[info]ladyofviolets
2010-10-20 12:29 pm UTC (link)
Ah, Aja. Never ever change, your fucking fail is THAT trainwrecky.

And btw, have some more fail_fandomanon discussions about her.

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(no subject) - tetradecimal, 2010-10-20 02:47 pm UTC
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[info]staroverthebay
2010-10-20 05:49 pm UTC (link)
I like the tag. As for the rest of this.... uh... I know nothing about the fandom, but I mostly thought the fic excerpt in question was in incredibly poor taste. Not really all that racist, just bad taste, but that's probably my majority privilege talking, so... ANYWAY... Aja sure gets around, doesn't she?

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(no subject) - [info]greenling, 2010-10-20 09:58 pm UTC

[info]fashi0n_mistake
2010-10-20 06:24 pm UTC (link)
It's really amusing to watch white folks tell us non-white folks what we can and cannot think, what is an is not acceptable, what is and is not racist.

I think someone has a point here.

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[info]eldritch
2010-10-20 08:53 pm UTC (link)
ahaha oh god the tag

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[info]eilan
2010-10-20 08:58 pm UTC (link)
And Aja is certainly not offline and thus not replying or anything - she just posted.

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(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2010-10-20 10:10 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]tehrin, 2010-10-21 06:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]adevyish, 2010-10-21 09:08 pm UTC
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[info]thoms
2010-10-21 12:34 am UTC (link)
Ahhh, every few months like clockwork, Aja wank comes along and makes me feel all happy again.

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[info]sorchar
2010-10-21 04:16 am UTC (link)
The thing I've only seen mentioned once or twice is that it's possible to write dialogue in which a character says something/racist/homophobic etc, without actually being that -ist oneself. Now, when privilege and isms are apparent in the way a piece is constructed (ie the recent SPN racefail fic) that's one thing. But having a character make such a remark does not equal the author believing that said character is right. (This doesn't even address the idea that two characters might have a relationship in which such joking is customary, much as some people in real life do, but I'm already TL;DR here.)

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[info]miraba
2010-10-21 05:51 am UTC (link)
And Rivier has showed up on the sf_drama post.

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[info]melyanna
2010-10-21 03:11 pm UTC (link)
Does Aja ever jump into things first? Every wank involving her that I can recall goes like this:

Person A: *posts something that may or may not be offensive*
Person B: I'm offended!
Person A: These are the reasons that I don't think this is offensive.
Aja: WHOA NOW. Allow me to tl;dr at you about why you are racist!

I mean, has she ever been the first person to say she's offended by something? The first one to point out why something is problematic? (It's entirely possible I may have missed something, and sadly, this comm is too new for that awesome tag to be useful today.)

Granted, I won't start taking Aja seriously until she stops saying that she doesn't talk about women in her own journal because people might get mad at her. But then, I'm one of those icky het shippers who writes about girls.

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redwarrior
2010-10-21 09:49 pm UTC (link)
"It's really amusing to watch white folks tell us non-white folks what we can and cannot think, what is an is not acceptable, what is and is not racist."

Yes, this, SO DAMN MUCH.

THIS is why I keep my mouth shut about race most of the time. It's kind of patronizing (and ironically, racist) to have the majority speak for you, even if you disagree with them.

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(no subject) - [info]ladyofviolets, 2010-10-21 10:20 pm UTC
You could swap race out for any number of things, really. nt - [info]mcity, 2010-11-03 03:36 am UTC

[info]aishuu
2010-10-23 01:44 am UTC (link)
She's in Inception now? Does that mean it's safe for the anime fandoms?

Sad thing is my reaction to seeing Aja's name nowadays is to run the FUCK away from whatever fandom is saddled with her.

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