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es_ (es_) wrote in unfunny_fandom,
@ 2010-10-20 09:27:00

Entry tags:

aja: savior or saint?, look before raging, oh aja, rimming is fundamental

Inception unfunny racewank
Shamelessly copied from wank_report. You can see the mice discuss it here.

halflinen writes a pretty long Inception fanfic.

the_moonmoth finds an exchange in the fic racist and problematic.

godofwine disagrees.

bookshop decides to school godofwine on racism, telling godofwine that "you may have the privilege of not being harmed or offended by images of racism in fandom that someone else of minority status *does not have*" and further explains that she's coming from "that cultural context of having experienced/witnessed Racefail."

godofwine is an Asian living in the US.

fail_fandom anon has a lot of fun.

So does rivier: If a POC doesn't find it racist, it's internalized racism! POC anon lays the smackdown on her: "It's really amusing to watch white folks tell us non-white folks what we can and cannot think, what is an is not acceptable, what is and is not racist."

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melyanna
2010-10-21 03:11 pm UTC (link)

Does Aja ever jump into things first? Every wank involving her that I can recall goes like this:

Person A: *posts something that may or may not be offensive*
Person B: I'm offended!
Person A: These are the reasons that I don't think this is offensive.
Aja: WHOA NOW. Allow me to tl;dr at you about why you are racist!

I mean, has she ever been the first person to say she's offended by something? The first one to point out why something is problematic? (It's entirely possible I may have missed something, and sadly, this comm is too new for that awesome tag to be useful today.)

Granted, I won't start taking Aja seriously until she stops saying that she doesn't talk about women in her own journal because people might get mad at her. But then, I'm one of those icky het shippers who writes about girls.

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	sarracenia 2010-10-21 04:27 pm UTC (link)
	Granted, I won't start taking Aja seriously until she stops saying that she doesn't talk about women in her own journal because people might get mad at her. Wait what. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

eilan
2010-10-21 07:07 pm UTC (link)

No one wants to hear me talk about how awesome the girls are, do they? All my posts about Emily Blunt basically boil down to EMILY BLUNT IS SO HOT I LOVE HER, and that makes me feel shallow and useless, and I don't like feeling shallow and useless. And I want to talk about how Whip It subverts just about every heteronormative trope in the book, how every girl in it is fabulous, strong, and independent, and how men aren't at the center of their lives, oh my god how amazing, and it's just the best best best thing.

But how can I talk about that honestly on a journal where I spend so much of my time talking about men? And how they love each other, and how great that is that we girls can all stand back and watch them make love to each other, subjugating ourselves completely in the process. And that's icky misogyny on a level that I don't know how to combat. There are so many of you who have pointed out how completely m/m slash fandom reifies exisitng patriarchal tropes and expectations, and you are all 100% right.

I am not aware of her ever starting post about these topics after that.

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	ealusaid 2010-10-22 02:36 am UTC (link)
	She... can't talk about women because her journal mostly talks about men? That's kinda her fault. Nobody's forcing her to write boyslash. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

melyanna, 2010-10-22 03:20 am UTC

coffee_mug
2010-10-22 12:33 pm UTC (link)

It's puzzling because .. that's not how things work in fandom and she should know it by now. How things work, more or less, is that you talk about something enough, people get curious and start asking "Hey this sounds intriguing, where can I watch it/what is it/would you recommend it to me?".

Everybody told me "The Good Wife has awesome female characters and it's so well-written!" and I got curious and began watching and now tell my flist that it's fabulous and they should give it a go, too.

There's nobody policing your journal but yourself.

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melyanna, 2010-10-22 03:45 pm UTC

	deliciouschaos 2010-10-22 01:54 pm UTC (link)
	Oh my god what is that. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	kumquat_of_doom 2010-10-23 02:26 am UTC (link)
	WTF is this bollocks? It's her journal, no-one is going to hunt her down and kill her if she doesn't write about what interests her. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	the_sun_is_up 2010-11-02 06:17 pm UTC (link)
	Slash is sexist and patriarchal, and so the best way to combat this is by... never talking about women ever? Any respect I might have had for this woman just evaporated. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

oddplaces, 2010-11-09 02:20 am UTC

eilan
2010-10-21 07:08 pm UTC (link)

Oh wait, I could have taken a 'better' quote:

"I hate this. I hate that I feel like I can't legitimately talk about how much I love certain female characters, because (like Elizabeth from White Collar), it's seen as just trying to "politely include the women for the sake of political correctness." because of course everyone knows how much we want the men to fuck at the exclusion of all else. I can't talk about how much I love Whip It because no one cares. "

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	nam_jai 2010-10-21 07:31 pm UTC (link)
	I guess I can be glad slash is but a minor aspect of fandom for me, so that I get to talk about awesome female characters all I want. Hooray! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

lady_ganesh, 2010-10-21 07:56 pm UTC

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	thoms 2010-10-21 07:35 pm UTC (link)
	That's... that's special. Both passages you linked are. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sepiamagpie 2010-10-21 08:22 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, Aja. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

phosfate, 2010-10-21 08:33 pm UTC

threegoldfish, 2010-10-22 01:50 am UTC

phosfate, 2010-10-22 03:08 pm UTC

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phosfate, 2010-10-22 03:09 pm UTC

	chikane 2010-10-21 09:08 pm UTC (link)
	"politely include the women for the sake of political correctness." And again: For some reasons, people invoking PC always fail. (Reply to this)(Parent)

ladyofviolets
2010-10-21 10:08 pm UTC (link)

*snort* I still remember how I found out about her, by checking on her "Super Guide to The Characters Of The Prince Of Tennis"... that not only didn't say ONE SINGLE WORD about the (not very frequent but still cute and charming) female characters, but tried to make the series look as if it was a boys love manga with super canon Yaoi Tru Luv instead of just a Shounen Jump series with slashy ship tease.

Then again, she also was a Sakuno basher of the "die Sakuno how dare you be shy and sweet and be in the way of my yaoiz" so I shouldn't have been surprised.

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	nursewretched 2010-10-21 10:42 pm UTC (link)
	Oh dear, please tell me she is not serious. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	eldritch 2010-10-21 11:31 pm UTC (link)
	I tried to have a coherent response to that, but all that I end up with is: what is that I don't even (Reply to this)(Parent)

panthea, 2010-10-24 01:06 pm UTC

mcity, 2010-11-03 03:38 am UTC

	melyanna 2010-10-21 10:10 pm UTC (link)
	eilan pulled the relevant quotes, but yes. It's one of the more infuriating things she's said. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	deliciouschaos 2010-10-21 06:05 pm UTC (link)
	she doesn't talk about women in her own journal because people might get mad at her Trying to wrap my head around this. Failing. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	melyanna 2010-10-21 10:14 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah. I'd understand it if she were blogging for a living, but somehow I doubt it. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	aaron_agonistes 2010-10-21 08:16 pm UTC (link)
	She still hasn't realized that it's not because she's talking about women, but it's because she's talking, has she. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	phosfate 2010-10-21 08:24 pm UTC (link)
	Win! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	melyanna 2010-10-21 10:15 pm UTC (link)
	Hee! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	thoms 2010-10-21 11:18 pm UTC (link)
	Where would you like your internets to be delivered? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	finchbird 2010-10-22 02:21 am UTC (link)
	LOL! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	cmdr_zoom 2010-10-22 08:51 pm UTC (link)
	DING DING DING! (Reply to this)(Parent)

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