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es_ ([info]es_) wrote in [info]unfunny_fandom,
@ 2010-10-20 09:27:00


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Inception unfunny racewank
Shamelessly copied from [info]wank_report. You can see the mice discuss it here.

[info]halflinen writes a pretty long Inception fanfic.

[info]the_moonmoth finds an exchange in the fic racist and problematic.

[info]godofwine disagrees.

[info]bookshop decides to school [info]godofwine on racism, telling [info]godofwine that "you may have the privilege of not being harmed or offended by images of racism in fandom that someone else of minority status *does not have*" and further explains that she's coming from "that cultural context of having experienced/witnessed Racefail."

[info]godofwine is an Asian living in the US.

fail_fandom anon has a lot of fun.

So does rivier: If a POC doesn't find it racist, it's internalized racism! POC anon lays the smackdown on her: "It's really amusing to watch white folks tell us non-white folks what we can and cannot think, what is an is not acceptable, what is and is not racist."



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[info]kylenne
2010-10-21 09:13 pm UTC (link)
Except, well, racist views are a lot more common than murder and magic schools (Ed Hubbard notwithstanding). I don't at all find it bizarre to assume the author of a piece with some problematic kyriarchal stuff going on with the characters shares those views, given we all live in a society where those views are continually held up as legit and any dissension or questioning of those views (especially by marginalized people) is met with wails of "zomg PC Police!!11"

I mean, this is the same argument I've seen being made about Neil LaBute's stuff all the time, that his plays were just about misogynists and no, he really wasn't one! And then he remade the Wicker Man and had two hours of Nic Cage punching women in the face and the men's tongues were all cut out and all those people sort of looked at each other awkwardly and went, "uh, dude might have issues with women after all."

Frankly? As someone else said upthread, it takes a level of maturity and skill as a writer to be able to portray that kind of thing while making the distinction. I don't know from Inception since I've never seen the movie. I haven't read anything else by this person, but I'm not generous, and white fans have worked my nerves to the point where no one gets a presumption of innocence. Why should they, especially given all the copious amounts of *fail in fandom? To be honest, as a queer black woman no one coming from a position of privilege gets the benefit of the doubt from me in fandom. Ever. Or IRL, for that matter. Kicking 30 in the ass and seeing people in action, I know better than that. Maybe that makes me a meen ebol PoC but whatevs.

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[info]phosfate
2010-10-21 09:21 pm UTC (link)
Dude, whatever works for you. I wouldn't watch Wicker Man or Inception on a bet, since they look like derivative sexist bullshit.

Okay, I might watch Wicker Man if I had some booze in the house. It has bees.

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[info]kylenne
2010-10-22 04:22 pm UTC (link)
The Rifftrax of the Wicker Man remake is the only way to watch it. It's hysterically funny.

NOT THE BEEEEEEEEEEES~

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[info]lady_ganesh
2010-10-22 06:03 pm UTC (link)
Wicker Man is hilarious.Inception is mostly sexist by omission, YMMV on that one.

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[info]phosfate
2010-10-22 06:08 pm UTC (link)
Nobody wants to read my list of reasons for not wanting to see Inception.

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[info]napalmnacey
2010-11-03 12:05 pm UTC (link)
I do, but you can show it to me another time if you like. My brother and his friend are mad for it and reckon it's brilliant. Like any Contrary-Fairy, when I hear people go on and on about something, I'm immediately skeptical and doubtful.

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[info]justira
2010-11-12 05:02 pm UTC (link)
I'm late to this party (busy week), but I am also actually interested? Full disclosure: I've seen it and enjoyed it, but I also enjoy seeing dissenting opinions on things I like.

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