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come_love_sleep ([info]come_love_sleep) wrote in [info]unfunny_fandom,
@ 2010-10-22 22:43:00


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Elizabeth Moon vs. Sense, Round Two
Continuing from where it was left off over on Unfunny Business, Elizabeth Moon's invite as Guest of Honor to Wiscon has been Officially Rescinded. Not by the concom; by their superiors, who announced this with a very short statement.

Comments, predictably, are rather full of fail. Venture hence fully understanding the risk to your blood pressure. Lots of the usual "PC brigade will RUINS THE WORLD!" bullshit.

Discussing this: Cat Valente, Nick Mamatas, and N. K. Jemisin. The ever-fiery Karnythia has some stuff to say about the con itself.

Ms. Moon is entirely silent.

ETA: Cyan_Aura was kind enough to provide mention, and Juliansinger to provide a link to Ms. Moon's really fairly snippy leaving of the birthday party; since her GoH status was rescinded, she's decided just not to play (rather than attending and facing real live human beings).


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[info]xero_sky
2010-10-23 07:06 am UTC (link)
I dunno. If I'd been Guest of Honor and then had the invitation rescinded, I probably wouldn't go either. That seems pretty normal human behavior.

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[info]silrana
2010-10-23 08:27 am UTC (link)
I was thinking the same thing. I would take that as a pretty clear "we don't want you here" and give it a miss.

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[info]come_love_sleep
2010-10-23 08:30 am UTC (link)
I think I must be a stubborn creature. :P I'd be up there, sleeves rolled, ready to have really fierce discussions.

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[info]catmoran
2010-10-23 10:50 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, but that means paying money to the people you've presumably had a falling-out with. My reaction would be to say "If you don't want me, then you don't want my money! So there!"

(Yes, I do revert to the age of 12 when I think I'm being snubbed.)

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[info]silrana
2010-10-24 04:38 pm UTC (link)
This. The idea of actually spending money to go someplace to be insulted (deserved or not) is something that I could never see myself doing.

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[info]chikane
2010-10-23 09:17 am UTC (link)
Not going, sure. That still doesn't mean she actually was silenced or censored, however.

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[info]greenling
2010-10-23 10:52 am UTC (link)
Yeah. Not going would tend to be the more reasonable way of handling things, in my opinion; but that's in the sense of acknowledging that the situation may not be worth resolving and getting on with your life, not in the sense of retreating into your little castle and whining about how terrible it is that people are willing to disagree with you loudly.

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[info]mmanurere
2010-10-23 11:53 am UTC (link)
But having her poor, sensitive whiteperson feelings challenged is totally the same as suppression of ideas "by force" (and the depressing thing is that the "by force" schtick has been promoted non-sarcastically by Moon's supporters). All she was doing was criticizing all those radical extremist types of Muslim -- why, any suggestion by WisCon (or, y'know, her own posts) that she was bashing all Muslims and all non-white immigrants is just fascist,y'hear?

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[info]lady_jafaria
2010-10-23 03:43 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, the "she's just giving a feminist critique of extremist Muslims" defense doesn't work so well. I've SEEN feminist critiques of Islamic extremism. Moon's post was just bigoted fearmongering.

Apparently the defenders who want to paint themselves as so concerned for Muslim women are less concerned when it's a white woman hurting them.

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[info]phosfate
2010-10-23 04:47 pm UTC (link)
Apparently the defenders who want to paint themselves as so concerned for Muslim women are less concerned when it's a white woman hurting them.

I'm amazed when some of my fellow whities rant about banning the veil for Muslim women's good. Because no one woman would voluntarily wear one, or if she does, she's just brainwashed.

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[info]rosehiptea
2010-10-23 10:54 pm UTC (link)
And it never occurs to Muslim women to not veil unless helpful white women get involved!

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[info]catmoran
2010-10-23 10:59 pm UTC (link)
I hate that, I really do. It's infantalizing to assume that no women (especially women living under secular law) would choose to wear something that has cultural or religious importance to them.

I wonder what those same whities think of nuns who still wear veils?

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[info]ekaterinv
2010-10-23 10:59 pm UTC (link)
But female sexuality is supposed to be PUBLIC property (of men)! It's just horrific that those mean Muslims want it to be PRIVATE property (of one man)! (And the idea it could be the woman's own property is of course completely alien and dangerous.)

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[info]phosfate
2010-10-24 02:56 am UTC (link)
I do not think I would like it much if the ultra-wealthy women of the French Riviera decided that I should go topless because my swimsuit is oppressive.

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[info]purple_smurf
2010-10-24 05:36 am UTC (link)
I really like that analogy. I may borrow it, if that's okay.

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[info]phosfate
2010-10-25 04:25 pm UTC (link)
Groovy.

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[info]rosehiptea
2010-10-23 10:03 pm UTC (link)
This.

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