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t_boy ([info]t_boy) wrote in [info]unfunny_fandom,
@ 2010-12-21 10:57:00


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Cut, because of TRIGGER WARNING: Domestic abuse, violence, threats of harm, misogyny.

Harry Potter star 'beaten after meeting non-Muslim man'

A young Muslim actress who appeared in the Harry Potter films was beaten by her brother and told by her father that he would kill her after she began a relationship with a Hindu man, a court heard yesterday.

Afshan Azad, 22, who played Padma Patil, a classmate of the boy wizard, was called a “slag” and a “prostitute” in a violent confrontation at her family home which left her so scared she fled through a window, Manchester Crown Court heard.

She later told police that her father wanted to “force her” into an arranged marriage.
Abul Azad, 53, and his son Ashraf, 28, were charged with making threats to kill following the incident in Longsight, Manchester, on May 21. Both were cleared of the charge yesterday after a judge heard that Miss Azad had refused to give evidence despite “expensive and time-consuming” attempts to encourage her to attend court. After going to the police, she “made it plain” that she did not want any action taken against her family, saying that the arrest of her father or brother would put her in “genuine danger”, the court heard.

Describing the incident, Mr Vardon said that Mr Azad was awoken by his son shouting: “Sort out your daughter! She’s a slag!” Mr Vardon added: “He continued to further assault her, in disputed Bengali, shouting, ‘Just kill her!’ There was a discussion where she was being called a prostitute.”

Describing a statement Miss Azad gave to police the next day, Mr Vardon told the court: “My father began saying he would do it, a reference to kill her, as he did not want his sons to have her blood on their hands and he would do time for it. Then she began to feel very scared .?.?. she having apparently been so scared of her family she left her home address via her bedroom window.

He added: “Part of her version of events was that he was going to force the complainant into a forced marriage of some sort.”

The prosecutor said Miss Azad later made “retraction statements” and said she had found it hard to understand her father’s heavy Bengali accent and could not be sure what he had said. Chudi Grant, defending the father, told the court that he “emphatically” denied any wrongdoing. “At the forefront of his mind is the welfare and happiness of his daughter,” he added.

GODDAMNIT, MUSLIM MEN. D:<

ETA: Wait, hang on, this news report was dated mid-2010 this year. Oh, wait... has this come up before? >_>;;

META: I just saw a whole slew of comments calling me out on tarring Muslim men out with the same brush.

Okay, that’s a fair interpretation of what the original post says. And it isn’t immediately clear from the context that I’m a Muslim man, and I’m more frustrated and angry at the level of privilege seen by Messr. Azad’s statements & actions, rather than expressing some kind of anti-Muslim prejudice.

I really apologize for not making it clear that I was frustrated and angry at seeing what both these men did to their family member, not only as fathers and brothers but as Muslim men. Men who are in the position of familial and community power, who belong to a religion that constantly tells the whole world that they are a peace-loving religion, that their principles of justice and equality are universal, and yet violate these principles when dealing with members of their own community.

And I speak this as a dominant-culture Muslim male living in a country that privileges my needs over the needs of people of other religions, genders and orientation, and treats those who question or attempt to move beyond such a broken paradigm as munafiqs and ignorant.

If you thought I was being Islamophobic and unfair towards all Muslim men in general, frankly, I don’t blame you, because after a second reading of this article, yes, it does sound Islamophobic. So I’d like to apologize about that, and I hope the context I provide here compensates for that pretty massive FAIL on my part.



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[info]come_love_sleep
2010-12-21 05:01 am UTC (link)
God damn it, misogynist fuckheads, I think you meant. There are a LOT of Muslims, and I've had Christian friends whose parents treated them worse than this for the same reasons.

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ealusaid
2010-12-21 05:12 am UTC (link)
Do you just... really enjoy blaming large groups of people for the actions of a few of their members?

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[info]spawn_of_kong
2010-12-21 05:22 am UTC (link)
MTE.

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[info]sorchar
2010-12-21 05:37 am UTC (link)
I think he's just a tool, personally.

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[info]oxfordcomma
2010-12-21 05:46 am UTC (link)
I guess we should blame everyone who has ever posted on JournalFen for this particular asshaberdasher.

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[info]shinga
2010-12-21 05:18 am UTC (link)
GODDAMNIT, MUSLIM MEN. D:<

oo, no.

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[info]sandglass
2010-12-21 05:27 am UTC (link)
GODDAMNIT, MUSLIM MEN. D:<

Are you incapable of learning anything?

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[info]sorchar
2010-12-21 05:36 am UTC (link)
GODDAMMIT, GENERALIZING ABOUT A WHOLE RELIGION BASED ON THE ACTIONS OF A FEW.

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[info]shinga
2010-12-21 08:28 pm UTC (link)
This comment is made 100x worse if you, like me, misread that last word as "Jew". I was like WHAAAT, lol

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[info]persona
2010-12-21 05:41 am UTC (link)
Come on, haven't we been over this?

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[info]sneer
2010-12-21 05:51 am UTC (link)
Could you not?

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You have fail on your face.
[info]tehrin
2010-12-21 06:08 am UTC (link)
GODDAMNIT, MUSLIM MEN. D:<

Way to blanket all Muslim men into one type, dude.

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[info]the_seventh_l
2010-12-21 06:48 am UTC (link)
GODDAMNIT, MUSLIM MEN. D:<

Ooh, look a massive blanket statement about one group of people AND racism!

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But seriously, what the eff.

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[info]persona
2010-12-21 06:59 am UTC (link)
He's done this before, even!

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[info]the_seventh_l
2010-12-21 07:02 am UTC (link)
Ah, I had not idea this douchebag had a history! That's just special. :|

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[info]galateus
2010-12-22 04:17 pm UTC (link)
Wait, are we all talking about this comment? From this wankitywank?

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[info]ekaterinv
2010-12-21 07:06 am UTC (link)
He got lots of (negative) attention when he did it before, too. Hmmmm.

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[info]sandglass
2010-12-21 09:04 am UTC (link)
Enough times that no one seems interested in engaging him, too.

I know it's bad when I can remember that someone has a tendency of doing a specific thing.

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[info]warrioreowyn
2010-12-29 08:11 pm UTC (link)
With the context provided - it's clearly not racism when you're talking about your own culture and religion and calling out members of it for bad behaviour. It's the same as someone from Alabama saying OH ALABAMA U SO CRAZY for whatever the reason-of-the-week is.

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[info]the_seventh_l
2010-12-29 08:20 pm UTC (link)
I commented before the edit. I apologize for not coming back to an old post and editing my own comment.

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[info]ldymusyc
2010-12-21 06:59 am UTC (link)
GODDAMNIT, MUSLIM MEN

Funny, the Muslim men I know would be appalled by this behavior. Your brush is a bit too wide for all that tar.

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[info]tehrin
2010-12-21 07:41 am UTC (link)
Thanks for apologizing.

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[info]spacelogic
2010-12-21 07:58 am UTC (link)
Y'know, dude, I distinctly remember you saying something about Muslim men in the past and then pulling a "ha-ha, gotcha, I'm secretly a Muslim man too" when people objected to the generalization. I'm not sure what kind of point you're trying to make -- something about generalizations, or Islam in a backhanded way (i. e. that you're Muslim and concerned about abuses in the name of your religion, so it shows that not everyone in the faith is a wingnut), or maybe you just don't remember that not everyone knows that you're Muslim -- but whatever the reason, I think you should try a different method, because what you're getting, see, is dogpiles.

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[info]lilychan
2010-12-21 09:11 am UTC (link)
*echos this*

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[info]jaythenerdkid
2010-12-21 10:03 am UTC (link)
I have to say, dude, if I didn't already know you personally, the "damn you, Muslims!" thing would have had me raising an eyebrow.

As it is - and as a fellow Muslim - I unfortunately know exactly where your sentiments are coming from. I even share them a little. It's pretty damn hard seeing people do this stuff in the name of our religion. I can totally understand how your anger may have caused you to say something that people could misconstrue. I've done it myself, after all.

♥ I totally understand. Just try not to do it again, m'kay?

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[info]cmdr_zoom
2010-12-21 05:47 pm UTC (link)
Not a Muslim but I did happen to remember you are. Had my head in my hands watching this go down, but decided it was better to let you handle it yourself rather than clumsy attempts at white-knighting.

Here's an idea for the future: put the disclaimer first?

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[info]sandglass
2010-12-22 09:05 am UTC (link)
Here's an idea for the future: put the disclaimer first?

Or skip the disclaimer and just put the same sentiment in a way that doesn't appear to generalize the religion.

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[info]pyrrah
2010-12-21 11:25 am UTC (link)
As a muslim woman, you're starting to get on my nerves.

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[info]kookaburra
2010-12-21 04:43 pm UTC (link)
After going to the police, she “made it plain” that she did not want any action taken against her family, saying that the arrest of her father or brother would put her in “genuine danger”, the court heard.

Um, so when she was retracting the statement that she was in danger, she was still saying she was in danger? And the police are still not doing anything?

also oh noez some menz might have been erroneously maligned we'd better talk about that bc its way more important than violence against a young girl

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[info]sqbr
2010-12-22 12:44 am UTC (link)
There is a long history of white women (a group t_boy is not actually a member of, of course, but most people here are) using genuine sexism by some muslim men as an excuse to make islamophobic generalisations about all muslim men. This is not actually helpful to muslim women, since if nothing else it implies that the only way they can be safe and happy is to cut themselves off from their faith, friends, family and culture. Calling out this dynamic (which t_boy was inadvertently contributing to, even though that's not how he meant it) is not the same as going "oh noez the men".

That said, Afshan Azad's experience was pretty horrific, and it is unfortunate that ALL the other comments(*) have focused on the way the post was written rather than it's content, even if I think the way it was written does imo deserve comment.

I hope she find some way to get safe :(

(*)Thus far, at least, and excluding the overgeneralising and prejudiced comment below. Huzzah for a variety of viewpoints!

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[info]kylenne
2010-12-22 01:00 am UTC (link)
Thank you.

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[info]ajatshatru
2010-12-21 07:43 pm UTC (link)
I'm not surprised. They are Bangladeshis. Google Taslima Nasreen and check out her story.

If anyone is in any position to do something, then get that girl out of that house and get her to safety and separate existence. Her female relatives are going to do nothing (or support her detractors and accusers), and the male relatives will have a field day and she will be forced to do whatever the community she belongs to wants her to do.

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[info]phosfate
2010-12-21 10:59 pm UTC (link)
You could just shorten that to "Goddamit, Bangladeshis!" if you're determined to join the bandwagon.

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[info]ajatshatru
2010-12-23 02:21 am UTC (link)
No, I'd rather have that girl safe than worry about Bangladeshi society.

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[info]phosfate
2010-12-23 04:50 am UTC (link)
"UNLIKE THE REST OF YOU SQUARES!"

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[info]cyndra_falin
2010-12-23 05:49 am UTC (link)
This is the best response.

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[info]ajatshatru
2010-12-24 04:17 am UTC (link)
*Shrug*

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[info]kumquat_of_doom
2010-12-22 03:27 am UTC (link)
...Oh, for fuck's sake.

Do you even go here?

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[info]ajatshatru
2010-12-23 02:23 am UTC (link)
Oh yes, I do. I know enough about Bangladeshi society to know that that girl is in danger from now, and she should be removed from that household soonest.

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[info]cyndra_falin
2010-12-22 06:10 am UTC (link)
....

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[info]ajatshatru
2010-12-23 02:25 am UTC (link)
.

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[info]loopywafflehead
2010-12-24 01:11 am UTC (link)
Her female relatives are going to do nothing (or support her detractors and accusers), and the male relatives will have a field day and she will be forced to do whatever the community she belongs to wants her to do.

Sounds like everywhere in the world, then. I've seen this happen over and over - with white Western Christian women, especially, given that's the majority population where I live.

Also, you're an idiot.

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[info]ajatshatru
2010-12-24 04:16 am UTC (link)
You're an idiot

:D I'm glad to know you have a clean mirror :D :D

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[info]felinephoenix
2010-12-27 12:33 am UTC (link)
You should consider shutting up. Just sayin'.

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[info]ajatshatru
2010-12-27 01:56 pm UTC (link)
No. Continue saying it.

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[info]cyndra_falin
2010-12-27 07:27 pm UTC (link)
By all means then. Keep displaying your idiocy.

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[info]ajatshatru
2010-12-29 12:16 am UTC (link)
It is natural for you to display your ignorance on all matters.

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[info]ruslan
2010-12-25 04:57 am UTC (link)
Between "Muslim men" and Bangladeshis up there this entire post is a trainwreck, astaghfirullah.

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