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sistercoyote ([info]sistercoyote) wrote in [info]unfunny_fandom,
@ 2011-01-21 08:20:00


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Sometimes, there are no words.
[info]_dahne_ writes a screed about how being "PC" has gone too far.

I don't even know what to say about this, other than someone needs to have their privilege checked. Badly. (Except, of course, that "Privilege, like 'troll' or 'fail' can now mean whatever we want it to mean, so my little statement there is apparently OPPRESHUN of her truth. Or something.)

I count sexism, ablism, heterocentrism, and I'm pretty sure racism in this one sentence alone:
The male side of fandom runs around calling each other niggerfaggots while the female side has earnest ten-page debates on whether calling something crazy is ablist.
(Emphasis hers)

Because the boys doing that is totes okay, y'all, and the girls should be doing the same thing. And men never, ever talk about whether what they're saying is hurtful to other people or not, 'cause that's girly stuff. (Hey, wankaboys, come and sit in the invisible corner with us bisexuals, English majors, and ampersands.)

And then there's this:
Like the idea of "tone argument." At its core, this makes sense; it's meant to address the idea that abused classes of people shouldn't have to be deferential to their abusers in order to be listened to.

In practice, what it means is, "I'm allowed to be an asshole as long as I'm really, really sure I'm right."

I just...I can't. I mean, the tools of the master will never tear down the master's house, but come on. By refusing to accept the tenets of the tone argument, we're bullying the people in power?

Whut?

And both examples are from the first seven paragraphs of her little screed. There's also kind of a priceless gem in there about Fandom_Wank being a "prime vector" for "too much" political correctness.

And I think the worst bit is (as far as I could tell before the comments were pushing me to the ragey point) she's not getting any disagreement.

I would love to be able to write a thoughtful rebuttal that might be as widespread in fandom as this one's (apparently) getting, but I'm afraid my brain keeps hanging up on What Is This I Don't Even.

ETA: [info]t_boy found swordygardner's response which is a breath of fresh air in amongst all that fail. ETA 2: In fact, pretty much all of page 2 of the comments (which is about the point she turned off anon commenting, I'll bet you), is pretty awesome.


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[info]t_boy
2011-01-21 06:29 pm UTC (link)
I'm reading swordygardener's response, and it seems pretty fucking righteous.

A lot of fail on the earlier posts, though. Quite a bit.

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[info]fern_on_fen
2011-01-21 06:39 pm UTC (link)
I don't think "Fandom Wank" is "too much." When I say Fandom Wank, I mean the Wank and unfunny communities on JF. And do you know part of the reason WHY I hang out here? Because it educates me. Because it shows me what public figures are doing something offensive, what directors or producers are supporting things I don't agree with, so that I can boycott these things and not support the hateful ideas behind them. Because it teaches me about privilege, and help me check my privilege, and be a better person. Because just the other day, I learned that I can't use "lame" because it's ablist language.

I don't think it's "too much" to do everything in my power to be a better and more accepting person. I've been hurt in life. I've been called sexist, ablist, racist, ageist, homophobic names. If I can do my absolute BEST to NOT share this pain with others, then that's just what I will do.

And I'm also posting this comment to _dahne_ because I think she needs to know.

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[info]iletaitunefois
2011-01-21 07:36 pm UTC (link)
For goodness sake, read the second page of the comments.

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[info]alexa
2011-01-21 07:55 pm UTC (link)
If you don't feel like reading the whole thing, here's gist: "Having my ignorance called out in public is embarrassing, and it makes me uncomfortable when people shake the image I have of myself as an educated, tolerant individual. It's too mentally taxing to work through my cognitive dissonance like a big kid, so I've decided that it's everyone else who has the problem."

And honestly? If you can't express your feelings or ideas without using words like "retarded", "lame", "bitch", etc., maybe it's time to sit down and let someone else talk.

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[info]spawn_of_kong
2011-01-21 07:56 pm UTC (link)
This anon puts it best, IMO.

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ealusaid
2011-01-21 08:02 pm UTC (link)
It made my day when every time I recognized a name in her comments, they were telling her off.

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[info]ekaterinv
2011-01-21 09:02 pm UTC (link)
I didn't know that all men are bigoted assholes. So glad dahne is here to inform me that none of the men I'm related to or friends with exist. (Seriously, "niggerfaggot"? What the everloving fuck?)

Whenever I see "arguments" (really just stupid statements that don't deserve the term argument) like that, I wonder precisely what kind of bubble the person making them lives in. But I think swordygardner hit the nail on the head there.

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[info]woodenleg
2011-01-21 09:34 pm UTC (link)
Did anyone else manage to see that comment _dahne_ posted and then deleted? From what I remember, it was something like, ""You do realize I've been reading this whole thread, right? And that you're making disabled people look like whiny, entitled douches?"

So much fail in so little time.

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[info]fools_game
2011-01-21 09:36 pm UTC (link)
She thinks she's being edgy, doesn't she. Ugh.

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[info]kermit_the_sock
2011-01-21 10:03 pm UTC (link)
Seriously? I mean I know quite a few boys in fandom, gaming and otherwise, and have never ever heard one of them use the word n***erf***ot.

ajasdfsd but apart from that, I remember once thinking my own hurt was waaaay more important than not being a dick. Hopefully one day I will totally get over that, and so will dahne and hir supporters.

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[info]greenling
2011-01-21 10:17 pm UTC (link)
I don't even.

This thing doesn't not-get-said because there's something horribly offensive about saying "man, I don't get everything, so I'd like to find a place where I can make mistakes without getting yelled at". It's not anyone else's problem what your personal skin-thickness level is, but whatever. It gets not said when you bury this point in insane troll logic like "I don't understand, ergo fuck you", "you're being mean, ergo fuck you", and "offense is subjective, ergo fuck you and I'mma dredge up every stupid fucking internet argument I can think of just in case I accidentally make a good point or witty comment that isn't drowned in shit".

The sheer number of buttons they're pushing that have nothing to do with the subject kind of makes me wonder if they're actually looking at their newly-stuffed inbox and rubbing one out over there.

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[info]thisfishflies
2011-01-21 10:18 pm UTC (link)
I once thought "all this PC stuff is going to far" for like a minute. I mean, you fuck up once and fall back on the insults you learned as a kid and calls something "gay" or "retarded" or "lame" and everyone piles on you. That sucks. Maybe that was the only time you've used those slurs in a long time, were really tired and not thinking clear, or just had a brainfart. Why do people have to be so ~mean~ about it.

Except. The people who bring it up are not being mean. They see someone using hurtful language like everyone else. Many of the other people have used the same words to purposefully hurt them. And now, here it is again when they are trying to read about some shit they love. This is the nth time today they have seen this. So yes, they will bring it up and go "dude, really?" or whatever. Maybe they get pissed. They don't know that you are "one of the good guys" or an "ally". They don't need to know that shit. You are just another person using slurs.

So that's what I remember if/when I fuck up. Then I apologize. Hell, it's the people that call you out when you fuck up that make you realize "I've got to work on this more".

It's not like anyone want's some Harrison Bergeron shit, just, you know, common decency for everyone.

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[info]littleshebear
2011-01-21 10:54 pm UTC (link)
TL;DR: "I should be able to say whatever I want but those pesky marginalised groups must never be allowed to harsh my buzz. Nothing is more important than my fandom squee."

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[info]emily_goddess
2011-01-21 11:42 pm UTC (link)
This comment, you guys. I can't even.

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[info]chikane
2011-01-22 12:02 am UTC (link)
I am really glad this ...thing made it here. When I first saw the post, it really made me angry, especially seeing that it was crossposted around a lot - by people thinking it made a lot of sense.

Also, none of the male fans I know well would use words like that. They KNOW it's just not okay. They're people, too. Not being a douche isn't that hard.

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[info]agent_hyatt
2011-01-22 12:40 am UTC (link)
Soooo... Why does _dahne_ get to be the one to decide what "being an asshole in the name of social justice" is?

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(no subject) - [info]sistercoyote, 2011-01-22 01:29 am UTC

[info]frenzy
2011-01-22 02:08 am UTC (link)
when writers are annoyed at people downloading books instead of buying them it's because of white privilege

Does anyone know what she's referring to? I recognize most of the other stuff on the list, but not that one.

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[info]galletas
2011-01-22 03:04 am UTC (link)
Man, she really wants to be able to use the word "retarded" without criticism, doesn't she?

And it always makes me laugh when I hear people complain about how they hate how "politically correct" the wank comms have gotten recently. It's only because of people calling each other out over douchebaggery that I finally felt comfortable enough to start commenting in the wank comms.

(As a sidenote, the spelling correction for "douchebaggery" is "torchbearer." Very apropos for [info]_dahne_, the douchebaggery torchbearer!)

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[info]staroverthebay
2011-01-22 03:11 am UTC (link)
I admit that I was at first kind of swayed by what _dahne_ wrote, because she wrote it so matter-of-factly. I found myself nodding in agreement and thinking "This isn't all that bad at all!" However, swordygardener's piece-by-piece rebuttal revealed the writing for what it really is -- sugar-coated-and-frosted shitcake.

Good lord. I feel unclean now for having agreed with _dahne_ prior to reading swordygardener's response. I think I'll go take a very long, very hot shower.

Also, heaven forbid the Republicans should be "right" on anything! D: They're not the fucking Ku Klux Klan, for fuck's sake. They might have some prejudiced views and intolerant policies, but they are not founded on the very idea of intolerance. (For the record, I don't really like the GOP, but dear lord, I know better than to blame the entire party for loudmouths like Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin!)

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[info]sequinedlizard
2011-01-22 04:28 am UTC (link)
I'm trying to find a good metaphor to use to get people who try and dismiss casual *ist language as "not a big deal."

I'm thinking papercuts. They're small, but they hurt a lot. And no one wants to get lots of papercuts every day. The casual everyday non-intentional *ist language is sort of like those - so if you're a member of a non-privileged group, you get hundreds or thousands of emotional papercuts every day.

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[info]dottiness
2011-01-22 02:36 pm UTC (link)
I'm really tired of seeing people praising this thing all over. Just reading most of the comments on that post makes me feel really ill. I think it's the treatment of the dissenters that gets me most. People who say they find the post offensive, or that they're horrified that people they know linked to it considering it ~positive and revolutionary~? Yeah, those commenters are told that they're just on imaginary crusades against "lookism," that there's Free Speech In This Country, that they're oversensitive, that they're the ones being dicks, it just goes on and on and I can't believe how many people I've seen praising this who are ... completely missing all the many, many things that are wrong with this post.

Like everything.

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(no subject) - [info]lied_ohne_worte, 2011-01-23 08:17 am UTC
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[info]ladyvyola
2011-01-22 02:56 pm UTC (link)
I think anontimeago sums up the core hypocrisy very well:

The fact that you bother to make this post is your admission that you believe words have the power to change behavior and culture.

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[info]theelusiven
2011-01-22 05:00 pm UTC (link)
The male side of fandom runs around calling each other niggerfaggots while the female side has earnest ten-page debates on whether calling something crazy is ablist.

Meanwhile, the non-binary contingent of fandom is ...where, exactly? I mean, people of all sexes and genders can make excellent griefers, (and usually without calling each other dahne's new favorite word) and the same goes for the ableism debate.

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(no subject) - [info]sistercoyote, 2011-01-22 10:06 pm UTC

[info]sisterelwood
2011-01-22 07:13 pm UTC (link)
[info]sf_drama has gotten a hold of this and people are getting banned.

http://community.livejournal.com/sf_drama/3149621.html

This is a pile of fail all around.

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(no subject) - [info]kitt_in_socks, 2011-01-22 07:28 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2011-01-23 09:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]napalmnacey, 2011-01-24 12:30 am UTC
WARNING - [info]woodenleg, 2011-01-22 08:45 pm UTC
Re: WARNING - [info]sisterelwood, 2011-01-22 09:08 pm UTC
Re: WARNING - [info]woodenleg, 2011-01-22 09:21 pm UTC
Re: WARNING - [info]agent_hyatt, 2011-01-22 11:40 pm UTC
Re: WARNING - [info]woodenleg, 2011-01-22 11:43 pm UTC
Re: WARNING - [info]agent_hyatt, 2011-01-23 12:18 am UTC
Re: WARNING - [info]fools_game, 2011-01-23 11:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dottiness, 2011-01-23 12:47 am UTC

[info]janegraddell
2011-01-23 05:07 pm UTC (link)
Ugh. Merlewhitefire is in there now, spreading their own special brand of mansplaining asshattery. How I wish killfile didn't conflict with the Facebook blocker on LJ.

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