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sistercoyote ([info]sistercoyote) wrote in [info]unfunny_fandom,
@ 2011-01-21 08:20:00


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Sometimes, there are no words.
[info]_dahne_ writes a screed about how being "PC" has gone too far.

I don't even know what to say about this, other than someone needs to have their privilege checked. Badly. (Except, of course, that "Privilege, like 'troll' or 'fail' can now mean whatever we want it to mean, so my little statement there is apparently OPPRESHUN of her truth. Or something.)

I count sexism, ablism, heterocentrism, and I'm pretty sure racism in this one sentence alone:
The male side of fandom runs around calling each other niggerfaggots while the female side has earnest ten-page debates on whether calling something crazy is ablist.
(Emphasis hers)

Because the boys doing that is totes okay, y'all, and the girls should be doing the same thing. And men never, ever talk about whether what they're saying is hurtful to other people or not, 'cause that's girly stuff. (Hey, wankaboys, come and sit in the invisible corner with us bisexuals, English majors, and ampersands.)

And then there's this:
Like the idea of "tone argument." At its core, this makes sense; it's meant to address the idea that abused classes of people shouldn't have to be deferential to their abusers in order to be listened to.

In practice, what it means is, "I'm allowed to be an asshole as long as I'm really, really sure I'm right."

I just...I can't. I mean, the tools of the master will never tear down the master's house, but come on. By refusing to accept the tenets of the tone argument, we're bullying the people in power?

Whut?

And both examples are from the first seven paragraphs of her little screed. There's also kind of a priceless gem in there about Fandom_Wank being a "prime vector" for "too much" political correctness.

And I think the worst bit is (as far as I could tell before the comments were pushing me to the ragey point) she's not getting any disagreement.

I would love to be able to write a thoughtful rebuttal that might be as widespread in fandom as this one's (apparently) getting, but I'm afraid my brain keeps hanging up on What Is This I Don't Even.

ETA: [info]t_boy found swordygardner's response which is a breath of fresh air in amongst all that fail. ETA 2: In fact, pretty much all of page 2 of the comments (which is about the point she turned off anon commenting, I'll bet you), is pretty awesome.


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ealusaid
2011-01-21 08:13 pm UTC (link)
Oh, suck. :(

I know people who have said, "I can't handle the intensity of debates around social justice issues and I think people who call fail sometimes get over-nasty, so I'm gonna sit over here, not participate, and just do what I know to be right without joining the movement" which I can respect (especially when those people do work, in their own way, against oppression). But people who think social justice activism stole their ice cream cone and is stupid anyway? Ugh.

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[info]hallidae
2011-01-21 08:20 pm UTC (link)
PM sent, kept it to a short "Hi, please remove my fics," because I didn't think I could follow her precious politeness rule if I tried to elaborate. Her claim that, as a former bully, she could tell that activists were just being bullies made my vision go white. I was a bullied kid. I am still bullied, even though I am not a kid anymore, for things that I can not help, like being bi or having medical conditions. Even though she was speaking generally and not about me specifically, her equating me sometimes snapping at the people picking on me with picking on people made me absolutely nauseous.

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[info]tez
2011-01-22 12:52 am UTC (link)
Her claim that, as a former bully, she could tell that activists were just being bullies

...what the shit is this I don't even cannot brain not at all bluescreen time

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[info]hallidae
2011-01-22 12:57 am UTC (link)
BEHOLD:

I used to be a bully when I was in school. Like, the beat up on other kids stereotype you hope your precious nerdy son/daughter never meet. I grew up and matured (eventually), but when this ultra-sensitive PC bullshit started happening... I recognized the patterns. I saw how this wasn't really about race or sexism or ableism... this was about holding power over another person.

I nearly threw up.

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[info]tez
2011-01-22 01:13 am UTC (link)
What the unholy shit did I just READ?

I just...I mean...what the FUCK is this I don't even.

Protip: if you insist that people are bullying YOU for calling you out on your shit, then clearly you haven't matured worth a damn. Delusions of maturity sauced liberally with privilege: two great tastes that go great together only not at all.

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[info]phosfate
2011-01-22 02:24 am UTC (link)
What is the reformed bully equivalent of a dry drunk?

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[info]tez
2011-01-22 02:39 am UTC (link)
A career politician.

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[info]ecchaniz0r
2011-01-23 09:26 pm UTC (link)
I almost laughed tea out my nose at this, but now my towering stabby rage is dead. XD; Thank you.

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[info]tez
2011-01-24 12:27 am UTC (link)
You're quite welcome.

Defusing towering stabby rage is good; rage over this is not bad, but the towering stabby kind produces indigestion and people like _dahne_ are certainly not worth the amount of money you'd spend on Tums if it got that far.

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[info]rubymellon
2011-01-22 01:32 am UTC (link)
she gives avocados a bad name. ugh.

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[info]finchbird
2011-01-23 04:35 am UTC (link)
Holy shit.

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[info]napalmnacey
2011-01-23 04:03 pm UTC (link)
Yeah that - I didn't know if I could find the words to even describe that cause that - I was ill.

A complete lack of understanding, that's all I can call it. :( I admire your restraint cause I couldn't fucking do it.

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