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sistercoyote ([info]sistercoyote) wrote in [info]unfunny_fandom,
@ 2011-01-21 08:20:00


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Sometimes, there are no words.
[info]_dahne_ writes a screed about how being "PC" has gone too far.

I don't even know what to say about this, other than someone needs to have their privilege checked. Badly. (Except, of course, that "Privilege, like 'troll' or 'fail' can now mean whatever we want it to mean, so my little statement there is apparently OPPRESHUN of her truth. Or something.)

I count sexism, ablism, heterocentrism, and I'm pretty sure racism in this one sentence alone:
The male side of fandom runs around calling each other niggerfaggots while the female side has earnest ten-page debates on whether calling something crazy is ablist.
(Emphasis hers)

Because the boys doing that is totes okay, y'all, and the girls should be doing the same thing. And men never, ever talk about whether what they're saying is hurtful to other people or not, 'cause that's girly stuff. (Hey, wankaboys, come and sit in the invisible corner with us bisexuals, English majors, and ampersands.)

And then there's this:
Like the idea of "tone argument." At its core, this makes sense; it's meant to address the idea that abused classes of people shouldn't have to be deferential to their abusers in order to be listened to.

In practice, what it means is, "I'm allowed to be an asshole as long as I'm really, really sure I'm right."

I just...I can't. I mean, the tools of the master will never tear down the master's house, but come on. By refusing to accept the tenets of the tone argument, we're bullying the people in power?

Whut?

And both examples are from the first seven paragraphs of her little screed. There's also kind of a priceless gem in there about Fandom_Wank being a "prime vector" for "too much" political correctness.

And I think the worst bit is (as far as I could tell before the comments were pushing me to the ragey point) she's not getting any disagreement.

I would love to be able to write a thoughtful rebuttal that might be as widespread in fandom as this one's (apparently) getting, but I'm afraid my brain keeps hanging up on What Is This I Don't Even.

ETA: [info]t_boy found swordygardner's response which is a breath of fresh air in amongst all that fail. ETA 2: In fact, pretty much all of page 2 of the comments (which is about the point she turned off anon commenting, I'll bet you), is pretty awesome.


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ealusaid
2011-01-21 09:55 pm UTC (link)
Yes, how dare PWD say when they're being treated badly.

(Way to be utterly oblivious to the huge number of PWD in fandom who have been advocating for themselves, and claim that all the work against ablist* language are just abled people trying to white-knight.)

*I just don't like how 'ableist' looks. After all, it isn't spelled 'raceist'. But I'm a crip, so I don't really care if someone else wants to tell me I'm Being Disabled Wrong.

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[info]sistercoyote
2011-01-21 10:03 pm UTC (link)
Grammatically, I don't understand how "ableist" could possibly be correct, even by English's weird spelling rules.

But what the hell do I know? I'm crazy.

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[info]iletaitunefois
2011-01-21 10:10 pm UTC (link)
Disclaimer: I am spelling nonny! Hi! I was in the post long before I was here, so there's that.

I wouldn't presume to yell at a PWD for it. Honestly, I wasn't even that upset about it at first. I think ableism looks kind of dumb, too. It was more of a "Why should I care about your opinion on ableism when you can't even spell it?" sort of thing. And then she got all nasty about it. Now it's mostly just a testament that she refuses to back down about anything, even a silly little misspelling.

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[info]notjo
2011-01-21 10:17 pm UTC (link)
Ableist is how it's in the OED, so that's what I go with. (Not that I'm trying to tell you how to spell this obviously totally made up word that was just invented on the internet last week to irritate people, but you know.)

(Ablist looks better to me, too, but who am I to argue with British Authority?)

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ealusaid
2011-01-21 10:25 pm UTC (link)
I'm Canadian! I get to spell things however I damn well want!

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[info]notjo
2011-01-21 10:38 pm UTC (link)
We do get to pick and choose at a whim, don't we? :D

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[info]sistercoyote
2011-01-21 10:46 pm UTC (link)
Wait!

I thought you Canuks (is that offensive when spelled incorrectly or correctly?) were still the Queen's Subjects and thus subject to the vagaries of the Queen's English, as opposed to us Yanks who spell things however we damn well feel is going to get us the most points at Scrabble. Am I confused again?

Also, I now am wondering how "ableist" would be correctly spelled in both Quebecois French and France French. Because that's how my brain skips tracks.

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[info]notjo
2011-01-21 10:48 pm UTC (link)
Well, the whole "u" thing was optional in our Newspaper of Record until the 1990s.

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ealusaid
2011-01-22 01:38 am UTC (link)
We are a poor unfortunate colony being tempted away from our prim virtue by the evil Americans.

No really.

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[info]sistercoyote
2011-01-22 02:02 am UTC (link)
So I see.

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[info]felinephoenix
2011-01-22 04:24 am UTC (link)
Don't be silly, we can't possibly advocate for ourselves. We're all so helpless.

(Yeah, that was such an awesome read.)

I think I may be the only one of us who thinks "ableist" looks better, though, but that's a burden I can bear.

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ealusaid
2011-01-22 04:26 am UTC (link)
No! What are you doing! YOU ARE A VICTIM MILK THAT MENTALITY HARDER.

If you do it right, you might make me cry!

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[info]felinephoenix
2011-01-22 04:37 am UTC (link)
Welllll. I do so love making people cry just by, you know, existing.

And if I can wring out a few more tears by using silly "made up words", then...

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ealusaid
2011-01-22 04:38 am UTC (link)
Don't you know? By bathing in the tears of abled people we've bullied, we can be well again.

And that's all a disabled person ever wants. TV told me so.

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[info]felinephoenix
2011-01-22 04:43 am UTC (link)
Oh, if only someone had told me sooner! Because that's all I've ever wanted, ever, despite the fact that I've lived my entire life with this condition and can't really imagine my life any other way.

Come onnnnn, magic abled tears.

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ealusaid
2011-01-22 04:47 am UTC (link)
There is nothing more to life than hating our assistive devices, and listening to/watching the laughing children play outside our open bedroom windows.

And telling poor unfortunate fanficwriters that their porny h/c epic where one guy's cock saves the other from the terrible fate of not being perfectly abled might display attitudes that contribute to the systematic oppression of people with disabilities.

It's a living.

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[info]sandglass
2011-01-22 06:14 am UTC (link)
Now I'm picturing someone in a wheelchair torturing able-bodied people and collecting their tears while cackling. This is probably why people go for blood instead of tears.

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ealusaid
2011-01-22 06:43 am UTC (link)
I don't use the phrase "temporarily able-bodied" for many good legitimate reasons, but also because of the mental image of a person in a wheelchair tapping a pipe wrench in their hand. "You're not disabled now... but you will be."

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[info]sistercoyote
2011-01-22 09:52 pm UTC (link)
Did you know there used to be a tool for collecting tears, called a lachrymatory?

The more you know.

Or, perhaps more accurately: you learn something new every day. And look what you (might have) wasted today on.

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[info]sandglass
2011-01-22 06:13 am UTC (link)
I do! I do! Ablist just looks...odd. Like it'd be pronounced Ab-list.

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[info]sqbr
2011-01-25 02:48 am UTC (link)
This whole thread has been helping with the "Ableist(*) isn't a WORD??" reaction I was having to that post.

(*)Or Ablist. I tend to alternate depending on mood :)

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ealusaid
2011-01-25 03:22 am UTC (link)
To look at it seriously, I think people are mostly able to process that being a woman or a POC isn't a fundamentally undesirable state, so they get why people fight racism and sexism. Ablism, though... well, being disabled SUCKS, doesn't it? So why go to all this effort to promote the bullshit notion that you shouldn't say so? So a lot of people who could mostly put up with anti-racist/sexist activism hit disability rights, which is not something that gets a lot of press or attention in textbooks or anything, and go, "NOBODY EVER TOOOOOLD ME THAT WAS A PROBLEM!" It's kind of the straw that broke the camel's back for them.

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[info]sqbr
2011-01-26 01:26 am UTC (link)
So, not long before reading this post I was staring at this comment making those exact arguments deciding if I had the spoons to reply (no)

Which is to say...yeah, that is definitely a thing :/ Though I've seen people come up with arguments for why classism is a big deal but sexism isn't, sexism is a big deal but racism isn't etc, a lot of this sort of "logic" is just sophistic window dressing for ignoring anyone they don't feel like caring about.

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ealusaid
2011-01-26 02:51 am UTC (link)
I'm not quite pleased to have been right. :/ I've been trying to find a way to express lately how the massive dip my physical ability took several years ago has made me in the end happier and more satisfied with my body than I ever was before, but I've never quite managed it. It mostly makes me want to hit people who make arguments like that on the head with a lobster.

The Oppression Olympics are the worst game in town.

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[info]sqbr
2011-01-29 08:13 am UTC (link)
Yeah, once you start playing Oppression Olympics everyone loses except the unoppressed :/

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