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sistercoyote ([info]sistercoyote) wrote in [info]unfunny_fandom,
@ 2011-01-21 08:20:00


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Sometimes, there are no words.
[info]_dahne_ writes a screed about how being "PC" has gone too far.

I don't even know what to say about this, other than someone needs to have their privilege checked. Badly. (Except, of course, that "Privilege, like 'troll' or 'fail' can now mean whatever we want it to mean, so my little statement there is apparently OPPRESHUN of her truth. Or something.)

I count sexism, ablism, heterocentrism, and I'm pretty sure racism in this one sentence alone:
The male side of fandom runs around calling each other niggerfaggots while the female side has earnest ten-page debates on whether calling something crazy is ablist.
(Emphasis hers)

Because the boys doing that is totes okay, y'all, and the girls should be doing the same thing. And men never, ever talk about whether what they're saying is hurtful to other people or not, 'cause that's girly stuff. (Hey, wankaboys, come and sit in the invisible corner with us bisexuals, English majors, and ampersands.)

And then there's this:
Like the idea of "tone argument." At its core, this makes sense; it's meant to address the idea that abused classes of people shouldn't have to be deferential to their abusers in order to be listened to.

In practice, what it means is, "I'm allowed to be an asshole as long as I'm really, really sure I'm right."

I just...I can't. I mean, the tools of the master will never tear down the master's house, but come on. By refusing to accept the tenets of the tone argument, we're bullying the people in power?

Whut?

And both examples are from the first seven paragraphs of her little screed. There's also kind of a priceless gem in there about Fandom_Wank being a "prime vector" for "too much" political correctness.

And I think the worst bit is (as far as I could tell before the comments were pushing me to the ragey point) she's not getting any disagreement.

I would love to be able to write a thoughtful rebuttal that might be as widespread in fandom as this one's (apparently) getting, but I'm afraid my brain keeps hanging up on What Is This I Don't Even.

ETA: [info]t_boy found swordygardner's response which is a breath of fresh air in amongst all that fail. ETA 2: In fact, pretty much all of page 2 of the comments (which is about the point she turned off anon commenting, I'll bet you), is pretty awesome.


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[info]greenling
2011-01-21 10:17 pm UTC (link)
I don't even.

This thing doesn't not-get-said because there's something horribly offensive about saying "man, I don't get everything, so I'd like to find a place where I can make mistakes without getting yelled at". It's not anyone else's problem what your personal skin-thickness level is, but whatever. It gets not said when you bury this point in insane troll logic like "I don't understand, ergo fuck you", "you're being mean, ergo fuck you", and "offense is subjective, ergo fuck you and I'mma dredge up every stupid fucking internet argument I can think of just in case I accidentally make a good point or witty comment that isn't drowned in shit".

The sheer number of buttons they're pushing that have nothing to do with the subject kind of makes me wonder if they're actually looking at their newly-stuffed inbox and rubbing one out over there.

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[info]sistercoyote
2011-01-21 10:44 pm UTC (link)
Sadly? It wouldn't surprise me to find out that's true.

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[info]chikane
2011-01-22 12:12 am UTC (link)
Sadly, a lot of people believe that they will get dogpiled just for saying something hurtful even if they didn't mean it.

This clearly is because people calling them on it are meanies, and couldn't possibly have anything to do with their supposed apology being obviously fake. Clearly.


The sheer number of buttons they're pushing that have nothing to do with the subject kind of makes me wonder if they're actually looking at their newly-stuffed inbox and rubbing one out over there.


Some people really are petty enough to use something like that for some ego stroking. I...kinda would think of her even less, because that'd mean she'd know that the stuff she wrote was terrible, and did it anyway, just for kicks.

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[info]sistercoyote
2011-01-22 09:57 pm UTC (link)
I acknowledge that lack of harmful intent does exist, but I point to Manolo's apology as a way to say: you can say "I didn't mean to offend/didn't know it was offensive and I'm sorry" without saying "OMG you meany poopoo head I never meant anything bad."

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