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sistercoyote ([info]sistercoyote) wrote in [info]unfunny_fandom,
@ 2011-01-21 08:20:00


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Sometimes, there are no words.
[info]_dahne_ writes a screed about how being "PC" has gone too far.

I don't even know what to say about this, other than someone needs to have their privilege checked. Badly. (Except, of course, that "Privilege, like 'troll' or 'fail' can now mean whatever we want it to mean, so my little statement there is apparently OPPRESHUN of her truth. Or something.)

I count sexism, ablism, heterocentrism, and I'm pretty sure racism in this one sentence alone:
The male side of fandom runs around calling each other niggerfaggots while the female side has earnest ten-page debates on whether calling something crazy is ablist.
(Emphasis hers)

Because the boys doing that is totes okay, y'all, and the girls should be doing the same thing. And men never, ever talk about whether what they're saying is hurtful to other people or not, 'cause that's girly stuff. (Hey, wankaboys, come and sit in the invisible corner with us bisexuals, English majors, and ampersands.)

And then there's this:
Like the idea of "tone argument." At its core, this makes sense; it's meant to address the idea that abused classes of people shouldn't have to be deferential to their abusers in order to be listened to.

In practice, what it means is, "I'm allowed to be an asshole as long as I'm really, really sure I'm right."

I just...I can't. I mean, the tools of the master will never tear down the master's house, but come on. By refusing to accept the tenets of the tone argument, we're bullying the people in power?

Whut?

And both examples are from the first seven paragraphs of her little screed. There's also kind of a priceless gem in there about Fandom_Wank being a "prime vector" for "too much" political correctness.

And I think the worst bit is (as far as I could tell before the comments were pushing me to the ragey point) she's not getting any disagreement.

I would love to be able to write a thoughtful rebuttal that might be as widespread in fandom as this one's (apparently) getting, but I'm afraid my brain keeps hanging up on What Is This I Don't Even.

ETA: [info]t_boy found swordygardner's response which is a breath of fresh air in amongst all that fail. ETA 2: In fact, pretty much all of page 2 of the comments (which is about the point she turned off anon commenting, I'll bet you), is pretty awesome.


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[info]sistercoyote
2011-01-22 01:27 am UTC (link)
Same reason "The Incredibles" bothers me; the implication that to be equal means we must be the same, that the exceptional must "tone themselves down" for equality to be achieved.

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[info]cmdr_zoom
2011-01-22 02:02 am UTC (link)
The assumption appears to be that the lower bound cannot be raised by any practical means, so the upper must be lowered to meet it.

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[info]rosehiptea
2011-01-22 04:21 am UTC (link)
Yeah, that's pretty much what I was getting at. Thanks.

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[info]phosfate
2011-01-22 02:43 am UTC (link)
THANK YOU! Raisin others' skill levels =/= bringing down the already talented. It's like saying Iron Man shouldn't be an Avenger because he wears a super-suit. In fact, let's take away his super-suit, because that'll show the little climber who his betters are. (And this is what I've come to. Defending Iron Man.)

Honestly, given the choice between Syndrome and Mr Incredible, I'll...take Elasti-Girl.

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[info]sistercoyote
2011-01-22 10:01 pm UTC (link)
Or Bats shouldn't try to be a hero at all, if you'd rather defend Bats than Tony. Although both of them are definitely schmuck-like in a number of ways.

I think The Incredibles is a good movie with some questionable themes, if that makes sense.

I think I'd take Edna...but Elasti-Girl would be a close second.

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[info]kylenne
2011-01-23 02:40 am UTC (link)
Edna is God and no one can tell me otherwise.

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[info]phosfate
2011-01-23 02:44 am UTC (link)
if you'd rather defend Bats than Tony

Never.

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[info]hallidae
2011-01-23 10:25 pm UTC (link)
Hell, if you don't want to defend either of them, there are a good handful of people on the Avengers alone who rely on tech or super-suits to fight because they have no ingrained powers. 99% of the time, both Hawkeyes are just a dude and a chick with bows and trick arrows. Until he figured out how to make the augmentation permanent, Giant-Man and Wasp had to rely on taking a pill if they needed to size-shift, and the second Yellowjacket and Ant-Man did it only via the tech in their modified suits for their entire tenures. Mockingbird has a shitload of training, but no physical augmentation at all, ditto both of the Swordsmen, and Hellcat.

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