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sistercoyote ([info]sistercoyote) wrote in [info]unfunny_fandom,
@ 2011-01-21 08:20:00


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Sometimes, there are no words.
[info]_dahne_ writes a screed about how being "PC" has gone too far.

I don't even know what to say about this, other than someone needs to have their privilege checked. Badly. (Except, of course, that "Privilege, like 'troll' or 'fail' can now mean whatever we want it to mean, so my little statement there is apparently OPPRESHUN of her truth. Or something.)

I count sexism, ablism, heterocentrism, and I'm pretty sure racism in this one sentence alone:
The male side of fandom runs around calling each other niggerfaggots while the female side has earnest ten-page debates on whether calling something crazy is ablist.
(Emphasis hers)

Because the boys doing that is totes okay, y'all, and the girls should be doing the same thing. And men never, ever talk about whether what they're saying is hurtful to other people or not, 'cause that's girly stuff. (Hey, wankaboys, come and sit in the invisible corner with us bisexuals, English majors, and ampersands.)

And then there's this:
Like the idea of "tone argument." At its core, this makes sense; it's meant to address the idea that abused classes of people shouldn't have to be deferential to their abusers in order to be listened to.

In practice, what it means is, "I'm allowed to be an asshole as long as I'm really, really sure I'm right."

I just...I can't. I mean, the tools of the master will never tear down the master's house, but come on. By refusing to accept the tenets of the tone argument, we're bullying the people in power?

Whut?

And both examples are from the first seven paragraphs of her little screed. There's also kind of a priceless gem in there about Fandom_Wank being a "prime vector" for "too much" political correctness.

And I think the worst bit is (as far as I could tell before the comments were pushing me to the ragey point) she's not getting any disagreement.

I would love to be able to write a thoughtful rebuttal that might be as widespread in fandom as this one's (apparently) getting, but I'm afraid my brain keeps hanging up on What Is This I Don't Even.

ETA: [info]t_boy found swordygardner's response which is a breath of fresh air in amongst all that fail. ETA 2: In fact, pretty much all of page 2 of the comments (which is about the point she turned off anon commenting, I'll bet you), is pretty awesome.


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[info]rosehiptea
2011-01-23 12:00 am UTC (link)
I found out about that one on the internet too, actually. So, yeah, I think it's possible for people to legitimately use a word because they don't know.

But that poster's main point still sounds like "I don't really care that much anyway," which is the problem.

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[info]silrana
2011-01-23 04:52 pm UTC (link)
Since I've been incredibly busy this weekend and haven't had a chance to read everything, has it been said how old the poster is? While it doesn't excuse their fail, I just wondered.

I'm old enough that when I was the age that I started paying attention to these issues, 'colored people' had nearly been replaced by 'black'. Over my life, I've heard the same group of people called blacks, colored people, negros, Afro-Americans, African-Americans, people of color, I can even remember a couple of little old ladies from my childhood who still used darkies. So I wondered if maybe the poster's fail had its origins in the same, "Why is what I said racist when I was only using the term people said they wanted used? Yesterday it was okay but today it's not," that I've heard from some of my age-mates.

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[info]rosehiptea
2011-01-23 05:28 pm UTC (link)
According to her user info she's twenty, so I don't think the main problem is that she grew up with terms that are now antiquated.

But yeah, I've heard the same thing from some people my age or older. (Or younger, sometimes.) Doesn't stop me from doing my best to find and use the term people want used though. (Not that I'm saying you'd disagree.)

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[info]silrana
2011-01-23 09:57 pm UTC (link)
If she's only twenty, then no, she isn't old enough for what I'm talking about. But I have to confess I'm not immune. I'm like you, I believe it is only polite to use the term that people want to be called. But I can't deny that while in a discussion like this I'll say people of color, in my own day-to-day life I say black. Not because I'm trying to be disrespectful or belittle other people, but because that's what I grew up with and that's what I'm used to. It's habit. (Not to mention shorter and easier to say. Yes, I'm lazy.)

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