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sistercoyote ([info]sistercoyote) wrote in [info]unfunny_fandom,
@ 2011-01-21 08:20:00


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Sometimes, there are no words.
[info]_dahne_ writes a screed about how being "PC" has gone too far.

I don't even know what to say about this, other than someone needs to have their privilege checked. Badly. (Except, of course, that "Privilege, like 'troll' or 'fail' can now mean whatever we want it to mean, so my little statement there is apparently OPPRESHUN of her truth. Or something.)

I count sexism, ablism, heterocentrism, and I'm pretty sure racism in this one sentence alone:
The male side of fandom runs around calling each other niggerfaggots while the female side has earnest ten-page debates on whether calling something crazy is ablist.
(Emphasis hers)

Because the boys doing that is totes okay, y'all, and the girls should be doing the same thing. And men never, ever talk about whether what they're saying is hurtful to other people or not, 'cause that's girly stuff. (Hey, wankaboys, come and sit in the invisible corner with us bisexuals, English majors, and ampersands.)

And then there's this:
Like the idea of "tone argument." At its core, this makes sense; it's meant to address the idea that abused classes of people shouldn't have to be deferential to their abusers in order to be listened to.

In practice, what it means is, "I'm allowed to be an asshole as long as I'm really, really sure I'm right."

I just...I can't. I mean, the tools of the master will never tear down the master's house, but come on. By refusing to accept the tenets of the tone argument, we're bullying the people in power?

Whut?

And both examples are from the first seven paragraphs of her little screed. There's also kind of a priceless gem in there about Fandom_Wank being a "prime vector" for "too much" political correctness.

And I think the worst bit is (as far as I could tell before the comments were pushing me to the ragey point) she's not getting any disagreement.

I would love to be able to write a thoughtful rebuttal that might be as widespread in fandom as this one's (apparently) getting, but I'm afraid my brain keeps hanging up on What Is This I Don't Even.

ETA: [info]t_boy found swordygardner's response which is a breath of fresh air in amongst all that fail. ETA 2: In fact, pretty much all of page 2 of the comments (which is about the point she turned off anon commenting, I'll bet you), is pretty awesome.


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[info]sandglass
2011-01-23 11:42 pm UTC (link)
I way regret saying that people should be less sensitive. I'm one of those people who takes even mild criticism really hard, and it took me a long time to be able to take "What you said is *ist" criticisms the way I say they should. I definitely think minorities having the right to get angry and rude is of utmost importance, but I definitely also shouldn't prescribe how people should react emotionally. I'm really sorry for that.

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[info]spawn_of_kong
2011-01-24 03:09 am UTC (link)
By having the right to be rude, I'm assuming you mean "the dominant society gets away with being rude to minorities, so why shouldn't minorities be rude back?" If so, then yes, I agree.

I'm sure you'd agree with me, however, that in in an ideal world, people just plain shouldn't be rude to each other.

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[info]sandglass
2011-01-24 03:53 am UTC (link)
Perhaps rude is the wrong word, but I mean what people complain about with the tone argument. The tone argument should never be used and a minority person's tone or rudeness should never be used against them, their argument, or the cause of equality.

People shouldn't be rude, but sometimes it's necessary, or not necessary, but healing in a way? You're definitely right, if the majority gets to be rude and oppressive, the minority should be able to scream at them.

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