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sistercoyote ([info]sistercoyote) wrote in [info]unfunny_fandom,
@ 2011-01-21 08:20:00


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Sometimes, there are no words.
[info]_dahne_ writes a screed about how being "PC" has gone too far.

I don't even know what to say about this, other than someone needs to have their privilege checked. Badly. (Except, of course, that "Privilege, like 'troll' or 'fail' can now mean whatever we want it to mean, so my little statement there is apparently OPPRESHUN of her truth. Or something.)

I count sexism, ablism, heterocentrism, and I'm pretty sure racism in this one sentence alone:
The male side of fandom runs around calling each other niggerfaggots while the female side has earnest ten-page debates on whether calling something crazy is ablist.
(Emphasis hers)

Because the boys doing that is totes okay, y'all, and the girls should be doing the same thing. And men never, ever talk about whether what they're saying is hurtful to other people or not, 'cause that's girly stuff. (Hey, wankaboys, come and sit in the invisible corner with us bisexuals, English majors, and ampersands.)

And then there's this:
Like the idea of "tone argument." At its core, this makes sense; it's meant to address the idea that abused classes of people shouldn't have to be deferential to their abusers in order to be listened to.

In practice, what it means is, "I'm allowed to be an asshole as long as I'm really, really sure I'm right."

I just...I can't. I mean, the tools of the master will never tear down the master's house, but come on. By refusing to accept the tenets of the tone argument, we're bullying the people in power?

Whut?

And both examples are from the first seven paragraphs of her little screed. There's also kind of a priceless gem in there about Fandom_Wank being a "prime vector" for "too much" political correctness.

And I think the worst bit is (as far as I could tell before the comments were pushing me to the ragey point) she's not getting any disagreement.

I would love to be able to write a thoughtful rebuttal that might be as widespread in fandom as this one's (apparently) getting, but I'm afraid my brain keeps hanging up on What Is This I Don't Even.

ETA: [info]t_boy found swordygardner's response which is a breath of fresh air in amongst all that fail. ETA 2: In fact, pretty much all of page 2 of the comments (which is about the point she turned off anon commenting, I'll bet you), is pretty awesome.


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[info]sqbr
2011-01-25 02:48 am UTC (link)
This whole thread has been helping with the "Ableist(*) isn't a WORD??" reaction I was having to that post.

(*)Or Ablist. I tend to alternate depending on mood :)

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ealusaid
2011-01-25 03:22 am UTC (link)
To look at it seriously, I think people are mostly able to process that being a woman or a POC isn't a fundamentally undesirable state, so they get why people fight racism and sexism. Ablism, though... well, being disabled SUCKS, doesn't it? So why go to all this effort to promote the bullshit notion that you shouldn't say so? So a lot of people who could mostly put up with anti-racist/sexist activism hit disability rights, which is not something that gets a lot of press or attention in textbooks or anything, and go, "NOBODY EVER TOOOOOLD ME THAT WAS A PROBLEM!" It's kind of the straw that broke the camel's back for them.

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[info]sqbr
2011-01-26 01:26 am UTC (link)
So, not long before reading this post I was staring at this comment making those exact arguments deciding if I had the spoons to reply (no)

Which is to say...yeah, that is definitely a thing :/ Though I've seen people come up with arguments for why classism is a big deal but sexism isn't, sexism is a big deal but racism isn't etc, a lot of this sort of "logic" is just sophistic window dressing for ignoring anyone they don't feel like caring about.

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ealusaid
2011-01-26 02:51 am UTC (link)
I'm not quite pleased to have been right. :/ I've been trying to find a way to express lately how the massive dip my physical ability took several years ago has made me in the end happier and more satisfied with my body than I ever was before, but I've never quite managed it. It mostly makes me want to hit people who make arguments like that on the head with a lobster.

The Oppression Olympics are the worst game in town.

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[info]sqbr
2011-01-29 08:13 am UTC (link)
Yeah, once you start playing Oppression Olympics everyone loses except the unoppressed :/

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